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Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: There is a wider spread.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I will make a mental note of that and hope that I do not have to play it back to the witnesses at some point. Teachta Connolly also asked about the delivery of housing. There is a big focus on housing at the moment, and while it is not necessarily in our area - it is a matter for that Department - the witness mentioned in his response that there is no single metric for calculating how many...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: The witness is talking about the amount of houses that were built rather than how many we need.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I want to return to the issue of GDP, GNI and GNI*. Mr McCarthy has been very helpful to the committee. His knowledge of the issues is quite impressive, and I thank him for sharing. However, I have concerns, and I hope that someone with his knowledge can help someone like me, a layperson, to understand exactly what is happening here. I am looking at page 20 of the Comptroller and Auditor...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: All of them?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Does that include aircraft leasing?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not a layperson, but I do worry about things and I ask the Minister for Finance for comfort when I am concerned about matters to do with finance. I asked a parliamentary question on 24 May 2016 and received a response from the former Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, which I am sure was compiled by civil servants. I dealt specifically with intangible assets and growth-fixed capital...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: That may be true, but it would have been great if it was included in the response to my parliamentary question last year. I would have been able to see that the investment side does not have any impact, that it is neutral and would not have any distorting impact on GDP, but that the depreciation of the assets would have an impact.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I will read it all out. It was: "To ask the Minister for Finance the gross fixed capital formation for investment in aircraft for leasing and intangibles for core investment, excluding investment in aircraft for leasing and intangibles"-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not finished; it is a long question. "[....] for public investment at market prices, the level of gross fixed capital formation in total as a percentage of gross domestic product; the level of gross fixed capital formation, excluding investment in aircraft for leasing and intangibles, expressed as a percentage of GDP; the debt to GDP ratio; the effect of exclusion from GDP of investment...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Is that the depreciation on assets, or-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: As such, we now have a depreciation on assets and also a depreciation on research and development-related intellectual property.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: I flew too low is right. In any event, I still think there was a sleight of hand in how the percentage was calculated. Can I ask a quick question about the profits of re-domiciled firms? I am trying to understand that as well. Let us say that company A makes X in profits, and those profits are taxed in Ireland. The economic activity which underpin those profits, the production of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Exactly. That is it. It might not make the goods here. They are made in Belgium, France or Germany, but the company is in Ireland because of our corporation tax rates, availing of the incentives we give them, including at one point the double Irish. When we look at the real distorting elements, is the full picture that Ireland is essentially a tax haven? Is that what the figures show?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. McCarthy would not say it, but is it a possibility?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Firms that do not make anything here.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: However, they put their profits here, some of them paying less than-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Hang on a second. That purely national accounting element is then calculated into the GDP, which is the problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

David Cullinane: Sorry, I meant to say GNI.

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