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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: For the purposes of clarity, has the witness not asked whether it exists?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Do the witnesses not think, for the sake of public confidence, that they should find out whether this actually happened? I understand what Ms Feehily is saying, but if chief superintendents are coming to her and saying that a pass, for the want of a better phrase, or a letter has been sent out to say not to respond to a previous communication from the Commissioner and the report comes out...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did the witnesses get responses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did the witnesses meet with a group of chief superintendents with regard to this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I want to get to the bottom of why that information was not provided to the witnesses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand. That is not my issue. My issue is that I want clarity on this pass or circular being sent out and I would expect that the Policing Authority would want to question why an assistant Commissioner would send out a circular like that at that time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: With regard to the 27 April meeting, effectively, the witnesses were not misled because they did not allow themselves to be misled with regard to the issues relating to homicides. I am summing up the evidence the witnesses gave earlier on. I apologise for rushing - it is the benefit of being last.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I apologise, Chairman. In that scenario, if the witnesses were not misled, and many people have gone through this, there was obviously an attempt to provide information which was not complete. The witnesses said already that they had other information that was coming through to them. That was an attempt, therefore, to mislead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: This is on the public record, and one can look back on the video. Who were the individuals from An Garda Síochána actually presenting on that report that day?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who is now retired.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: My issue here is that there is an equation here-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know that. I have watched some of it. The issue here is that on one side there is an attempt to mislead the Policing Authority and-or on the other side there is the question of the capacity of those presenting to the authority in the first place. That raises even more alarming issues, that is, if those who are presenting such rubbish, lack of information or lack of detail to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I think it should have occurred to Ms Feehily.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Obviously, they were not when they did not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: They should have done it by April.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is it a lack of will?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have two very quick points to make. Ms Feehily spoke earlier on about when a clerk had to be appointed. I refer to the €26 million and ICT. As I said earlier, the Committee of Public Accounts would probably have more capacity to look at that than the Policing Authority. Obviously, the appointment of a clerk through the Policing Authority would have to go through a process. This...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Policing Authority (21 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I said the last day at the committee that I believe the protocols by which the Policing Authority meets with people, etc., and many in the committee have said the same, needs to be looked at. That is an honest comment to the witnesses. I am a supporter of the Policing Authority. My political party created it. We got some things right and some things wrong, which I will admit. Would the...

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