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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: How many of those people are case managers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The commission has said that ten additional staff are needed, at a minimum, and specified the levels that they should be at. Does the figure of ten people include the three case managers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: That means the bare minimum of staff is 13 people. When did the commission apply for more staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Has the Department responded and sanctioned the proposal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Have the commission been given a timeline?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The sum of €1.6 billion is disputed. I presume all of that money is outstanding, it is unpaid and there is an argument for a refund due to the sum being outstanding. Is that tax or penalties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: How much will it cost to provide the bare minimum staff complement? Has the commission estimated the cost?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The sum of €1 million or €1.5 million is small when compared with the €1.1 billion that is outstanding, and the integrity of the tax system. Does the long delay prevent people from getting tax compliance certificates and functioning?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, please.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously the function was shifted from the Courts Service to the Tax Appeals Commission. There is a scope for a person to submit a claim to the High Court for a judicial review. Have there been judicial reviews?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We have been told about the amount of money that was returned in 2016 because of an inability to recruit staff. Did the commission return money in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Is it correct that staff could not be recruited in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The commission could not recruit in 2016, it experienced the same problem in 2017 and is at full complement. That assessment does not add up for me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I am not talking about the legacy appeals. I am talking about the amount of money that the commission returned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The commission returned money in 2016. This committee takes a dim view of money being returned if it can be spent because it has been allocated for a particular purpose. I completely accept that it can be time consuming and difficult to recruit staff, particularly when an organisation is being established. Was the matter resolved in 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: How much money did the commission hand back in 2016 and 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Accounting Officer's statement is peppered with references to resources yet a significant amount of the commission's budget was surrendered, which is very problematic because it happened two years in a row. Will the commission surrender money in 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I appreciate that and I accept it happening in the first year. When it happens a second year it indicates something else, which is a real concern. How many of the appeals to date have been successful? Does the commission retain data on how successful an appeal has been, what money was accrued as a consequence of the 860 cases this year? Does the commission collect such data?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Does the commission have that data for last year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 9 - Internal Controls in the Tax Appeals Commission
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission
(28 Jun 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I ask the commission to supply the information to the committee.

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