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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I agree with the Deputy. We have had a few discussions on this. It is on the work programme for two weeks from today. We will actually have that Department in. The very reason we are bringing it in is because of the issues the Deputy has raised including the volume of work being done with the Department and the number of people in emergency accommodation, including people from Ukraine and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Catherine Murphy had a specific proposal.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will ask the secretariat to include in the invite we send that we wish to discuss the entities that are providing accommodation and those providing services to people within that accommodation. I thank Deputy Catherine Murphy for that. That is agreed so we will move on to category C, correspondence from private individuals and any other correspondence. There is only one item, No....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We should and the Deputy is correct. I hope that where €5.7 billion goes to 2,500 organisations that the part of the HSE which deals with this requests audited accounts every year before divvying out money for the coming year.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is important and we can request that. The Comptroller and Auditor General audits a small number of section 38 organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes, and for the staff as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes, because the move will mean staff will be on a par with HSE staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy for raising the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can ask the HSE that question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There are two things to be done. One, we must write to the correspondent with a request that information is provided regarding the allegations being made in terms of the section 38 and 39 organisations and we see what is produced. Second, we must write to the HSE with the questions on auditing in terms of when audit accounts are requested, what period they have and the response. We will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are the Deputies satisfied with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy for the information he provided. Moving on to the work programme, we agreed at last week's meeting to proceed with a schedule of engagements up to Christmas. The secretariat is working to make the necessary arrangements. Next week, we will engage with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. The following week, we will engage with the Department of Children,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Except for that. Is there other business that the Deputy wishes to raise?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I believe it is €1.1 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: An Bord Pleanála is on the list.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that the figure is €1.1 million and relates to fines of €10,000 apiece.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The committee has played its part in setting a process in place in terms of an examination of An Bord Pleanála. There have been a number of reviews and investigations. I believe one is still ongoing. We will be meeting An Bord Pleanála, but we-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: With detailed information.

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