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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: My questions are not designed to catch Ms Quinn out. I respect that this organisation has an unusual set up, which is not a negative. It is also a relatively young organisation and, sometimes, there is a fear that such an organisation will fall between two stools. I used to be the chairman of a committee and the reason I ask these specific questions is to make sure there is public...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: The organisation has a small staff. Does it contract people to do the data analysis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does the organisation hire in staff to work on IT, financial analysis and so on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I presume that is done on site, that everything is encrypted and that all the data they work with is protected. I presume they are covered by the data protection policy and that the organisation owns the IT equipment with which they work. I presume all of this in view of the volume of data the organisation has access to, even though I acknowledge the way in which Ms Quinn says it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I did not say that it is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have a last question and I thank the Chairman for his indulgence. I will short circuit some of these. Will the witnesses supply to the committee the Benefacts disclosure policy, its data protection policy - which I have already asked for - and its fraud policies, as currently constituted that is before today? Does Benefacts have a human resources manager, and if so who is this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will ask the question again. Does Benefacts have a HR manager?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who manages it? Ms Quinn is the chief executive so who manages HR?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that person qualified to manage HR?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: What is the name of the system that Benefacts uses to manage its information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Sorry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know what SQL Server is. With regard to the IT system for managing information, has Benefacts customised the system? I worked in database development for three years and I have used SQL Server. Has Benefacts customised its development of that or added any off-the-shelf packages to develop it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I just want to make sure it is fit for purpose.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Given the data that Benefacts deals with I would be concerned if the system was not fit. On the internal audit, is there anybody external to the organisation on the audit board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: How long has he been on the audit board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Was it the end of last year or the beginning of last year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will Ms Quinn supply this to the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will Ms Quinn also supply to the Chairman of the committee a copy of the Benefacts risk register, as it is prior to this date and in order of priority of risks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I thank Ms Quinn for her answers.

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