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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: How much did the company receive?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The company received €21,000 for that. At €55,000 a week that is probably two days.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Why was the steering group not consulted? The steering group met in November and said that it needed another meeting to consider the GMP report in order that it might make a recommendation to the board, which, in turn, could make a recommendation to the Government. There was time to procure the four reports that the Chairman mentioned but the officials did not even go to the steering group.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No, we did not cover it, actually. What we said was that there was not time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: How much would the penalty have been?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We would have had to pay €12 million even though we were not on the hook. The Government could have said that it was not going ahead with this.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Would that not have bought time at a minimum?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. The Government did a deal for phase A leading BAM to believe it was a shoo-in for phase B. If BAM did not get it, it would get money anyway. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We did but it was inconclusive. There was not time and people were deferring to one another.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: There was not time. We are talking about €800 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Why did Mr. Sullivan not tell us at the last meeting about the 4% exclusion on VAT?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No, the witnesses did not. That came up at the meeting with the Department of Expenditure and Public Reform much later.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No, Mr. Breslin did not. Mr. Breslin mentioned the AECOM report. I quoted from that report when we had the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform in. Mr. Watt said that this was not his project at all. I will be returning to that in a minute.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It is going to be a compensable event if BAM did not get the project.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It could have said it was not going ahead. The steering group did not see it because it did not have time. This is ridiculous. What is a steering group for? Has the steering group been got rid of? It seems it was excluded from the key decision for which it was in existence because there was not time. Why was there not time? Who was sitting on their hands? Can I quote from the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I did not see anybody named.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The buck stops nowhere.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is it not fair to say that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The bottom line here is that nobody swings. On we go with systemic failure, culture, time issues, planning and so on. The whole team still ploughs on, except in terms of what we now know. Mr. Breslin mentioned the AECOM report, and I was going to refer to this earlier. The AECOM report on construction inflation was going to be incorporated. The exclusion is 4%. Last year, it ran at 7.5%...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am not saying any figure, but to state €1.7 billion, or whatever the figure is, as the cost is just wrong. If it is going to take between now and 2023 and it stays at the same 3% increase per annum, a lot more money is involved, is it not?

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