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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: I do not know. I know the Deputy wants to speak to facts, but I do not actually have the facts on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: This emphasis on permanent tenancies might be a bit of a misdirection. Often the people who are actually in those homes the Deputy has identified are in more secure living arrangements than people in the private rental sector. They will never exit those arrangements and move into homelessness. They will never find themselves in emergency accommodation, because the local authority's duty of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: One of the first meetings I had as Minister was with the Attorney General. I said I needed to get a shortcut in procurement law. I have gone to him twice and I have been told that we cannot do this. That is his advice based on European Union procurement law and I have to accept it. We have put procurement frameworks in place.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: No. Because this crisis was of such significance I wanted to park procurement law. I tested this with the Attorney General. I asked if I could suspend procurement law if we declared an emergency. The answer was "No". The emergency had to be akin to a natural disaster.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: We have set up the under the Office of Government Procurement, OGP, a mini procurement framework, particularly around rapid build, where we pre-procure a panel and then say to the local authorities, use rapid and use this panel. We are putting in place - if it has not already been put in place - a new one for multi-storey rapid build.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: There is a shared services model which we pursue with local authorities. There are regional procurement frameworks in place for other types of services. I do not know if they are possible for capital construction but I will take a look. On the Land Development Agency, LDA, it is likely to take a similar approach, in terms of having a pre-approved procurement framework for certain aspects...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: The 10% is in line with the provision that we have around Part 5.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: What we have tried to achieve and what we are doing on social housing, the first focus of Rebuilding Ireland was the work done on putting in place planned preparations for massive social housing and building a framework to do that social house building. What we have been talking about for the 14 months that I have been in the job, and in addition to that, is to do even more on subsidised...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: In terms of what I have seen - and I am trying to remember from the top of my head - I believe we have identified enough land for social housing for local authorities to take us to at least 2023 under the national development plan ambition that I put into that plan. I am going to have to ensure that I can meet the targets that I put into Project Ireland 2040. The most important thing is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: There will not be a supplementary budget, because we can move money around, as necessary, depending on how we are meeting our spend, per year. We constantly do a performance review on what spending we are doing to see if we are on-profile to meet the allocation we have been given and that we spend the money that we have for the year. We must not overspend because then we would be in a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: Many of the housing schemes I have visited are adaptable. We have future-proofed them to look after that person when they reach an older age and they might not be as mobile, or, if someone were to have a child that might have particular needs. They are future-proofed by having wider doorframes and by having particular types of bathrooms that can be easily adapted or do not need to be,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: As to our current targets around disability and what we are trying to do, the Minister of State, Deputy Finian McGrath, and myself are in constant discussion about this. We are constantly trying to figure out whether we can achieve more or do better with the allocation of funds and resources we have. He made an announcement recently - in the last three months, I think - on disability itself...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: The Minister of State, Deputy John Paul Phelan, is reviewing rates legislation at the moment, which is his responsibility in the Department. We want to bring forward legislation on that soon and will look at that in the fullness of time. I will declare very quickly a conflict of interest in that regard because a family member of mine works in one of those shops. The Minister of State will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: The Deputy must be so careful with the way he speaks about certain schemes that are in place to help people. There is a risk of people undermining genuine supports that can help people insofar as they may not take up a HAP offer and find themselves in emergency accommodation when they could have been in a rented home. I have met many people who have been badly affected by this crisis. HAP...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: Over what should they seriously consider them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: What is the alternative? What if they do not take it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: There is not much a choice currently if they are struggling, they do not have a home and HAP is on the table.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: I will come back to the build point as the Deputy spoke about an over-reliance on HAP. It was the first question he asked. If the output for the first six months of the year for local authority building was maintained for the rest of the year, it would not be good enough. I know from my experience in the job last year how the programme was delivered over the course of the year and ramped...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: In fairness to Senator Conway, he was just trying to make sure nobody might accidentally or intentionally abuses privilege, as has happened before in committees and Chambers. I can answer the question. I am bothered when I do not see houses being built on sites that are ready for such building. The Deputy knows there are more complications with this land than might perhaps be evident in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Rebuilding Ireland - Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Sep 2018)

Eoghan Murphy: That is exactly why we are bringing forward the LDA. We do not want to depend on private land. We will have the public's land and we will be the developer.

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