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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Yes.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: It wasn't actually adopted. Can I just ask you to square a reference in this document on page 31, where it says notwithstanding the recessionary environment:[W]e are confident that given the nature of our business model and appropriate pricing and management of risk, the Bank will continue to generate strong profits and capital. We believe that Anglo [Irish Bank] will be the most profitable...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: When did you realise that Anglo's future as an independent financial institution without any intervention or State support was longer tenable?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay. Did you say earlier on in response to Deputy Higgins that correspondence from the Financial Regulator would not have been brought before the board as a matter of course?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Would never have been included with board packs.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Reports such as, for example, risk management reporting - it is on page 55 of Vol. 1 - would that have been included in information which the board would have been apprised of?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: So where would this have sat in the structure?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: The risk and compliance committee. You were the chairperson of the audit committee. Is that right, Mr. McGann?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: From what period?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Sure. Can I take you to Vol. 2? And we'll start with page 63. Now, the initial report here predates your period, it relates to 2003, but I just want to highlight a couple of issues where at the bottom of page 63, "In 10 [...] of [the] 12 files [examined - this is on the issue of security underpinning loans] no letter from the bank's solicitor confirming that security was complete is...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Was there sufficient follow-up? I mean, if you look at, say, page 68 and 69, which, again, is from January 2007, there are various examples there. Page 68, "We noted 5 (out of 34) cases where items of security specified on the approved credit were either not put in place or were amended without appropriate writtenapproval." Across the page, 69, at the top, "Confirmations of Security[...]...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Hold on now, Mr. McGann. This was a situation where Anglo Irish Bank was lending out millions of euro to borrowers and was accepting verbal assurances that adequate security would be forthcoming.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Was that acceptable to you?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: It happened a lot in Anglo Irish Bank.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: We have a report from 2003, which is before your period. We have a reference to a 2005 report, which isn't in the pack but, again, where verbal confirmation was being accepted. And, we have a report from January 2007 citing specific instances, again where written confirmation of security of many loans was not evident.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Finally, Mr. McGann, a report, again in Vol. 1, starting at page 115 - Lending Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank Development Report, April 2007. Where would that report have sat in the structure of governance? Would that report have come to the board? It's quite high level; I would assume it went to board level.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: It is, yes.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay. If you look at page 129, for example, where it looks at Galway client analysis, so these are loans, presumably, extended in that area. It goes through unzoned land, €84 million; zoned land, €392 million, without planning; zoned land, with planning, €236 million - that's the whole land area - development with no pre-sales, €342 million; development with...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: Where does the buck stop ultimately, Mr. McGann, for the running of the company? Who's ultimately responsible?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (3 Sep 2015)

Michael McGrath: But, for the running of the company and its ultimate performance, is it the CEO or is it the board?

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