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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: The record will show it is what the Deputy said. She made the allegation that I am looking to preserve things as they are without being mindful of the accelerated debate that is under way in regard to corporation tax across the world. At the same time, however, she acknowledged that I wish to implement the OECD view and template on matters like corporation tax. Those two statements are...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: I move amendment No. 49: In page 41, between lines 9 and 10, to insert the following: "Amendment of Chapter 6 of Part 19 of Principal Act (transfers of business assets) 26. (1) Section 597AA of the Principal Act is amended— (a) in subsection (2)(b)— (i) in subparagraph (ii), by substituting "land," for "land, or", (ii) in subparagraph (iii), by substituting...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: To answer Deputy Pearse Doherty first, his amendment is to section 28 which gives effect to my announcement on budget day that a full exemption from capital gains tax would be granted on land or buildings acquired between 7 December 2011 and 31 December 2014 and held for a period of four years commencing after they were acquired and ending seven years after that date. The...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes. There will be transactions occurring next year that I believe would not have happened but for this change being made. I am trying to get to a point next year where we will have more land being released for development. My objective is to try to maximise residential development. The Deputy is correct that there are people who may have been planning to make a transaction next year...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: As I have already explained, the legal advice I have is that I cannot differentiate between different forms of land and buildings. I cannot do that.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: The advice I have received from the Attorney General, and this is also the case within the European Union, is that I cannot differentiate between a land and a building.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: The Deputy will be aware of the long-standing approach in regard to the sharing of advice from the Attorney General to Government. I am not in a position to share that information.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: I will try to give some more context in terms of the legal advice I have received. The Revenue Commissioners have advised me that it is not legally permissible to narrow the focus and single out a category of land in relation to this relief. Section 604A applies to all property purchase within the European Economic Area, EEA. This provision was included in the legislation so as not to...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: I would like to make two points. I referred earlier to Section 604A of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. This applies to all property purchased within the EEA. In terms of interpretation of that provision, property includes buildings. In regard to the Deputy's second point regarding the tax effect of this measure, following the coming into effect of this measure next year, in conjunction...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: The Deputy said that no tax would be payable in respect of such sales.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: An additional rate of stamp duty, on top of that which currently applies, will be payable. The stamp duty rate has been tripled. While I accept the point that it is possible that transactions that were due to go ahead next year anyway will now go ahead in a more favourable environment, that will be offset, I believe, by the additional land and property that should be...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: No. The Interpretation Act 2005 defines land as including, "tenements, hereditaments, houses and buildings, land covered by water and any estate, right or interest in or over land". I will supply a technical note to the committee in advance of Report Stage to provide all the background in relation to this.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: As against that, it is my strong expectation that, because of what is a very significant move, it will release further land for both commercial and residential development next year. This is a very significant move in how I am looking to change the taxation regime in relation to property with the objective of trying to increase the supply of land in 2018. As I said, I will provide a...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, is the answer to Deputy Donnelly's first question. No, is the answer to his second question.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: Can I come back to the Deputy on that one?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes. That person would be rolling it forward. I will come back and give the Deputy-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: I will give the Deputy a full answer to that later on.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: No. Did I hear Deputy Murphy state that the financial services sector does not create many jobs in Ireland?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: Has the Deputy walked through docklands? Has he walked into any of the financial services employers who employ persons outside of Dublin? Are the 40,000 who work in more than 400 companies in financial services ghosts?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Nov 2017)

Paschal Donohoe: No. I hope we will debate the point, albeit a brief one, but I cannot help but respond to Deputy Murphy's allegation that there are no jobs created in financial services.

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