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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is there a ballpark date? Will it be a month or two months or in the next session?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: All right. It will be some time between now and October then. From the committee's perspective, the sooner the better in that regard. In Mr. O'Driscoll's response to issues raised at our meeting of 17 January, he confirmed with regard to surveillance the use of firms for approximately €18,000 in one case and €10,500 in another. He went on to state "It is not possible from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I outlined at the beginning that I appreciate those factors but I am trying to use all our time efficiently.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. Irrespective of her report, these questions arise, so I ask the witness to note them and revert to us. I presume he is suggesting that for legal reasons, he cannot go there currently. Is that a fair assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: All right. The Secretary General is saying these matters may have direct relevance to her report so he cannot answer. Okay. At a previous meeting, between the Department's last appearance before the committee, I alluded to the fact that documentation arrived anonymously to me at Leinster House some weeks ago. I said I would seek legal advice on same and I have. The contents of this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No, that concerns a previous matter relating to surveillance. This is a separate question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It is a reasonable question to the Accounting Officer, as all these matters have financial implications. Could the Department make the appropriate inquiries?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I alluded to documents that concerned surveillance. These are other questions arising from research.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is the surveillance matter. It was an earlier question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What are you referring to? It is not clear.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The only documentation referred to, apart from my own personal and private research, relates to the previous question. I have outlined and read into the record what I will do in that regard. It will be sent to the Garda Commissioner today. The current question is not related to that documentation at all.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I asked if there was an instance where somebody responsible for stores in the Prison Service was selling items on the Internet from those stores for personal gain, and whether that person was allowed to retire or resign without the appropriate Garda investigation. If the answer is "I am not aware of that", I am simply asking whether the Department will carry out the necessary inquiries. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I would have to take legal advice on that. I am wording questions in the way that I can to assist the Secretary General in what I hope might be inquiries that he will make.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Are either the Department or the Prison Service aware of an instance or instances of prison staff who, outside their prison careers, run private enterprises and supplement the running of same from prison stores? If not, will the Department make the necessary inquiries? I assume the answer may be the same.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Clearly,-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry. Go on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We are putting them on the record now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That constitutes sending them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Obviously, products are made in prison woodworking shops, metalworking shops, etc. What is the situation with those products? Are they sold? If so, what are the protocols involved? To whom are they sold? Where are the funds lodged? Is the Department or the Prison Service aware of any prison staff member who has availed of prison workshop materials or products and prison staff expertise...

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