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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Were all of those people seconded from different services in Department or did the office have to recruit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: As such, we have more civil servants.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I would have imagined that if we were looking at saving money and streamlining services, we would have fewer staff not more. What I see is that we have set up a new unit and have more staff and more costs. I am trying to establish how we have saved money in the circumstances. I assume from what Ms Murphy-Fagan is saying that there may have been people in the line Departments who were...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: However, there are more civil servants in the system. That is the point. Ms Murphy-Fagan had to take on more staff to work in her office. Those who were doing the work previously may be doing something else now, but there are still more civil servants. In that scenario, how are we achieving a saving?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I have here a Deloitte report which is an examination of shared services in the Irish public service and internationally. This report cites where money could be saved and how much, which is why I asked whether there was a Deloitte report. Who commissioned the report? Was it the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Did it host a conference on shared services around that time or shortly afterwards?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Did Ms Murphy-Fagan personally speak at a Deloitte conference or event on shared services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Was there a Deloitte conference or event on shared services at any time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Did Ms Murphy-Fagan speak at any event organised by Deloitte?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Who hosted the event?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I ask Ms Murphy-Fagan to come back to us. I draw her attention to a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General's office in Britain and one from the Home Office because they have gone down this road. In fact, in the article from December 2015 which I referred to earlier, Ms Murphy-Fagan said Ireland was behind the curve on shared services. What did Ms Murphy-Fagan mean by "behind the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: How exactly were we behind the curve?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Murphy-Fagan used the terminology in her own opening statement on the modernisation of corporate administration and professionalism. I do not have a difficulty with the use of the word "corporate" but it suggests something that is not normally used in the world of public services. I am looking then at what happened in Britain where the services were put into a shared service office to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not asking Ms Murphy-Fagan to comment. I am making an observation from my own perspective. I think I am being logical when I say that if this has happened in other European member states, and in fact one newspaper report states: "Government, SSCL and arvato, which is the company that got the contract, are all to blame for shared services centres failing to achieve value for money." So...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: The Chairman would understand my suspicions that it could potentially happen down the road, but obviously that is not a matter for Ms Murphy-Fagan. I am just making an observation, which I think is relevant, given what has happened elsewhere. I thank Ms Murphy-Fagan for her answers

Leaders' Questions (6 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Last December, the Taoiseach described the Brexit joint report as cast iron and rock solid. At the time, if the Taoiseach recalls, we in Sinn Féin acknowledged the positive language in the joint report but we warned that it fell far short of what is needed to truly protect the national interest, North and South. We cautioned that the promises contained in the joint report were not...

Leaders' Questions (6 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I want the Taoiseach and his Government to succeed. I want the best possible outcome for the people of this island. The concerns I have are concerns which are shared and have been expressed by many people. The European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development, Phil Hogan, said last week that a border on the island of Ireland is inevitable if Britain leaves the customs union. I...

Order of Business (6 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I wish to ask about promised legislation. The Taoiseach will be aware that the programme for Government committed to a second cath lab at University Hospital Waterford. He will also be aware of a report by Dr. Niall Herity, which did not make a positive recommendation. I am sure he is also aware that since then, a mobile lab has been deployed at the hospital. My understanding is that that...

Ceisteanna - Questions: Cabinet Committees (6 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: In my party's view, the Government and the political parties in the Dáil need to get to grips with the reality that it is no longer tenable to speak rhetorically about Irish unity. The Taoiseach is right when he speaks about the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement. It provided a democratic and peaceful means of achieving Irish unity. If we want Irish unity, however, we must put...

Ceisteanna - Questions: Cabinet Committees (6 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: It was agreed to group them.

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