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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I welcome Mr. O'Brien and all the other witnesses. This feels like Groundhog Day. Many of the issues we are examining today are issues the committee grappled with in the last Dáil. I put it to Mr. O'Brien and to the officials from the Department of Health that the relationship between Console and its funders, the HSE and the Department of Health, has been dysfunctional from the...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. O'Brien. Can the Department of Health officials confirm that the first tranche of funding was in 2005 or was funding given prior to that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: What about the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: We need to see the full picture because what we see here is not just something that happened by accident. My reading of the situation is that this was a very calculated and considered rebuff of any kind of standards on the part of Console. I believe the HSE and the Department of Health have been caught with their pants down and were asleep at the wheel. We have heard a lot about oversight,...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. We have limited time so we need short, information-rich answers, please.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does he or she have a role in terms of compliance and oversight?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: And the nominated person has oversight of that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Overall.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: What about the authorised signatory? What is that all about? Who are they?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. I am trying to establish that, in addition to the overall protocols, one actually has within the grant aid agreement or service level agreement nominated go-to people, if I can use that term, in respect of that relationship between the funder and the funded organisation. Is that a fair summary of it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Purcell. In 2014, Mr. Raleigh was the authorised signatory for the service level agreement. In that year the nominated person was a Paula Forrest. Does Ms Forrest still work for the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Thank you very much. Indeed, Ms Forrest was also the nominated person in 2010. In that year, Mr. Geoff Day, who, if I am correct, was Mr. Raleigh's predecessor-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Just to clarify for the committee, Mr. Day was the head of the National Office for Suicide Prevention.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is the role that Mr. Raleigh holds.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: He resigned in 2011 actually.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, thank you. In 2015, the nominated person and the authorised signatory is one person, a Ms Stephanie Lynch. Does Ms Lynch still work for the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay, but that is not clear from the documentation that the HSE has given to us.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Mary Lou McDonald: The point is - Mr. O'Brien might want to sit back into his seat and I do not think we should miss this as a committee - that it is not good enough for the HSE simply to say in a general way that it introduced these general protocols and systems. The real accountability, and what we need to get to, is the issue of the nominated people who had a specific role in respect of these agreements...

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