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Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: A small sum of money was diverted last year from the building fund to ICT and that has given rise to the figure the Chairman mentions. The ICT capital allocation is €40 million this year, rising to €60 million for next year. It is €83 million and €63 million for the years thereafter, respectively. The new ICT strategy document is being developed and it will...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: This is an issue the Deputy has been addressing in the Dáil. I am aware of an internal audit report last August which raised some concerns and made a number of recommendations regarding the procurement by An Garda Síochána of certain ICT services. I understand from Garda authorities that the contract in question commenced in 2009. It ran for an initial two-year period with a...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am anxious to ensure that all the recommendations to improve matters are embraced fully by An Garda Síochána and I am happy to keep the Deputy and the committee updated, as has been said in reply to parliamentary questions. If there are weaknesses and shortcomings, they need to be addressed in an urgent manner.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: In the context of the internal audit report completed last August, the new OGP framework has been embraced. It is currently being utilised by An Garda Síochána. Appropriate sanction is required from that office for the placing of ICT contracts. A number of such sanctions have been provided in respect of the tendering process. I have outlined the history of this issue going back...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Absolutely not. The Policing Authority has an important role to play in oversight. I meet authority members on a regular basis. Issues raised by the authority have been, or are in the course of being, addressed by An Garda Síochána but the authority plays a fundamental role in the reform and modernisation programme.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am anxious to ensure that the authority continues to play a full and meaningful role. I am satisfied that this is the case. However, this must be seen against the background of the existence of the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland to which I made reference. The commission has engaged in a broad body of work, including the relationship between the Policing Authority, other...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Absolutely not. I refer again to the structures in place for ICT procurement and the audit committee, which plays an important role and produced the report last August to which I referred. The membership of the committee includes persons appointed by the Policing Authority.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: What I am saying to Deputy Wallace is that the issues that he has raised publicly and has raised again this morning are matters of some concern, I am keen that all of these issues are addressed and I am satisfied that there has been a measure of progress as far as procurement is concerned. If there are wider issues on the matter of the relationship between An Garda Síochána and the...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: There is the matter of overtime which is flexible, obviously meeting the demands of certain circumstances. I am pleased that, again, for this year, we will have made available a sum of almost €100 million for Garda overtime in order to meet the demands of society in terms of criminal activity. The point the Deputy makes about the apparent reduction is due to the fact that there is a...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Any issue regarding the targets for civilianisation not being reached are not due to pay. There are currently in the region of 2,250 full-time civilians in An Garda Síochána mainly undertaking administrative and technical duties. Budget 2017 provided for the recruitment of up to 500 civilians and funding for a further 500 civilians was provided in this year's budget. Any...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: No, it is another 500.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: There is sufficient funding to allow for the appropriate level of funding.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The part-year cost is in 2018.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The part-of-the-year cost is in 2018. There is also the funding that was not taken up last year in terms of the 500.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: We do not show the full-year cost in 2018.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I know, but the figure was less.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Because in budget 2017 we were recruiting a greater number of civilians - 500 for last year all of whom were not reached and 500 for this year but also including those of last year's numbers who were not recruited within that period of time.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The number was 281.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Yes.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Revised)
Vote 25 - Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (Revised)
Vote 41 - Policing Authority (Revised)
(18 Apr 2018)

Charles Flanagan: An Garda Síochána is currently engaging with the Policing Authority on the civilian programme. I am keen to ensure that the civilian programme is accelerated in order to ensure that we meet the targets. The target is to have 4,000 civilian members of An Garda Síochána by the year 2021.

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