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Maritime Jurisdiction Bill 2021 [Seanad]: Second Stage (3 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: That is fine. I left out two pages by mistake. I realise I did not address the Bill. If there is still time left in the Regional Group slot, would it be possible for me to contribute again?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: I have a number of questions on the subject. If Mr. Fraser answers them quite directly, I will not keep anybody very long. I will ask him to clarify one thing. He said earlier that Mr. Watt did not take the pay increase. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Did he waive it completely or just for a period of time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: No, Mr. Fraser made the statement and said that Mr. Watt did not take the pay increase. Did he defer it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Is it Mr. Fraser's understanding that Mr. Watt's pension calculations will be based on the salary without the increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: The answer then is a misnomer. It was deferred on the basis of public pressure, end of story. We can take it that Mr. Watt received the €81,000 increase but has deferred taking it, rather than having Mr. Fraser making statements that Mr. Watt did not take the pay increase. This is a public forum and we need to be clear. Is that fair to say?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: It would have been, absolutely. Mr. Fraser might answer "Yes" or "No" to my next question. Does he agree that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform normally operates a challenge function to requests for salary increases across the Civil Service and public service?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Who was the Secretary General in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform when student nurses sought an increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Okay. Can we assume that no matter who it is, however, the Secretary General in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would challenge any possible request for an increase in the Civil Service or public service?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: I have never seen a request go unchallenged. One would, therefore, assume that would be the case. Where was the challenge by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to this salary increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: There was, therefore, no challenge or scrutiny by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Fraser made a previous statement a number of times that he would like to see a more transparent process. Has he given that advice to the Government?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: That is a "Yes" or "No" answer. Has Mr. Fraser given that advice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Has Mr. Fraser given that advice in an official format?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Is it the case that Mr. Fraser is making that statement when it really does not matter if he has given that advice because he not put in place a process to achieve that goal?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: We all think that. It is not rocket science. When one civil servant who is already in receipt of substantial remuneration transfers from one Department to another and secures a salary increase of €81,000, it is pretty standard and obvious that this is not normal or transparent. I ask again if Mr. Fraser is aware, particularly as a member of the TLAC, of a process in which the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: I would not be asking the question if I thought the notes answered it. I am asking Mr. Fraser because the notes are not really answering the questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: They are very evasive, actually. I have them here, in case Mr. Fraser thinks I do not have them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: There are no answers. It is pathetic that we have to call Mr. Fraser in and ask him these questions, which he believes the notes answer. Where is the challenge to the request? Why was it not challenged? If the Minister made the decision, does Mr. Fraser concur with him making that kind of decision? Does he think it was warranted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Fraser, therefore, proposed it.

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