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Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I appreciate that.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I will deal with that.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I do not mind the Minister interrupting me.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I said I do not mind if he does so.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: Absolutely.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: That is what I thought.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: The suggestion the Minister appears to be making seems implausible. I suggest that the outcome that would flow from this subsection is that it would become the norm that these matters would be tried in the Special Criminal Court. That seems to be what is intended and what would flow from the subsection. In the current circumstances, the Minister will accept that the Director of Public...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I thank the Senator for that. Aspects of the 1998 Act are required to be renewed each year in the Oireachtas. I was less than impressed by the rigour of the scrutiny we were able to give that renewal because of the lack of information in that respect. While a report was laid before the Houses, in terms of knowing the background to the necessity to continue to use that legislation, we were...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I wish to respond to a couple of the points the Minister made. I think I understand the Minister's position a little better now. On more than one occasion in his last contribution he emphasised the importance of sending out a strong signal. He repeated that several times and he said something akin to that in the other House as well. Having looked at this legislation and having heard the...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: Is the Minister then saying there is more available to him and to the Government than what he has communicated to us? Can he tell us what it is or give us some insight into the empirical evidence to which he refers? When he is pressed on it he talks about what the Minister for Defence said and about the Keane case. With regard to the latter case, by the way, which has been invoked over and...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: On a point of information, where a person lives is not relevant, one way or the other, to the strength of his or her arguments.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I do not wish to fall out with my good colleague and namesake, Senator Mary White. However, I must state that I do not represent the constituency of Dublin South in this Chamber.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: Earlier in the debate, reference was made to the ICCL, lawyers' letters and people being described as coming from Dublin 4, Dublin 6 or wherever. In addition, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform was upset about people playing the man rather than the ball. I thought we had moved on from that. Is it not possible to discuss the issues that arise rather than trying to personalise...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: Did those comments relate to the Special Criminal Court?

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: Then the Minister should quote them in their entirety.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I do not disagree with anything said by Deputy Gilmore or Deputy Rabbitte - I am uncertain which Deputy was quoted by the Minister.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: However, there is no way that anyone could have been discussing this Bill's contents on 18 April 2009 because, as I understand it, the Bill was published on 30 June 2009. Consequently, this cannot have been the case.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I will not give way on this occasion.

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: While I have given way on several occasions in the spirit of debate, I will not be interrupted by the Minister this time, nor will I have him portray me, my party or anyone else as being less committed to dealing with these gangs, murders or threats to our society than is he. I will not accept that for a moment. In this instance, it is clear that I am talking about a particular section of...

Seanad: Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009: Committee and Remaining Stages (14 Jul 2009)

Alex White: I move amendment No. 5: In page 11, before section 9, to insert the following new section: 9.—Paragraph 1 of the Appendix to the Offences against the State (Scheduled Offences) Order 1972 is revoked.". This concerns the appendix to the Offences against the State (Scheduled Offences) Order 1972, and my amendment proposes to revoke Paragraph 1 of the appendix, under which malicious damage is...

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