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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Whatever communication you have with local authorities for dealing with this-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Can you send a copy to the committee so that we will know what the local authorities have received from you about the usage of these maps?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: You say you will send 13,000 maps to the European Commission. I am afraid that when they land there, they will be stamped. What legal significance will they have? Will we be told you cannot touch these maps, they are EU approved? There are local designations, national designations and EU designations. Will they end up with an EU designation because they end up in the Commission? Explain...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: What do you expect the Commission to do with those maps? What significance do they have?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: If there are no further questions-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: You will submit that documentation to us and whatever guidance notes-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Can you assist and liaise with the clerk? Whether it is the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government or the OPW which sends it out, we would like to see it. Whether it is the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government or the OPW, we would like to see that guidance.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: This document might be of help to us here to make sure there is a bit of consistency across local authorities, because we do hear of different local authorities using those maps differently. Some of them take it as the bible and there is no negotiation after it. Other local authorities do it differently. At this stage, on behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts, I thank all of the...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We are in public session. Today's meeting is focused on two specific areas relating to the HSE Financial Statement 2015: (i) Internal financial control and the governance of grants to outside agencies under section 39 agreements; and (ii) an update on the payment of specified remuneration and allowances to senior managers, known as top-up payments, in the section 38 agencies and the...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I invite Mr. Tony O'Brien of the HSE to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Is the witness happy for us to publish that opening statement?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Thank you. As Chairman, I will set the context of today's meeting. As the witness mentioned, we have received an extensive internal audit report, running to 229 pages, conducted by the HSE. The HSE's internal audit function is the largest of any State organisation because of the size of the HSE, which has 100,000 employees. How many people are in it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I will get these few points on the public record. When did the HSE national audit committee receive this report, which was completed on 14 April, and discuss it? What was its views on the report?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: A national audit committee will receive the internal report carried out by the HSE into Console next Monday, and by then the entity will have been liquidated.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Over three months have elapsed. Is that good practice? Is it the normal practice?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Will the Department of Health officials comment on that later in the meeting? I find it unacceptable but I will not take up the time before the lead speakers come in. It is extraordinary that this is the governance structure, probably decided by the Department of Health. What lessons have the HSE learned as a result of the recent episode? I did not hear any of that in the opening...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I will come back to it. We have received approximately 500 pages of documentation, including service level agreements, internal audit reports and opening statements but I have seen nothing about lessons learned. I will let other people ask those questions but I am just pointing out that we have not received anything about the lessons learned. What work went into the internal audit report?...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: It is just to put it on the record and it will help the questioners. What was the scale of the work?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I will let people ask the witnesses about that. I just wanted to get an idea of how many weeks of work went into this. Was it 50 weeks or 100 weeks?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We can get to that. I just want to ask about the headline figure. The role of the HSE is what we are most concerned about. I am just trying to get an idea of the level of work that went into this. Dr. Smith is saying it is substantial.

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