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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can do that. We can hold it over until next week. It is important. I have had to seek access to this on two occasions.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: They are based in a warehouse in Portlaoise, close to where I live. We will hold back No. 1410B and deal with it next week. No. 1422B is from Mr. Graham Doyle, Secretary General of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, dated 29 August. It provides information requested by the committee regarding energy ratings of local authority-owned social houses and the numbers...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is a gap there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The situation varies from local authority to local authority. Some of the local authorities have done very good work to increase the energy efficiency of homes. That is to be welcomed and the more of it, the better. Individual local authorities have engineers who are focusing specifically on this type of work and who have expertise in the area. The correspondence states: Local...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am referring in particular to the old 9-inch mass concrete walls with no insulation on either side. There are many of those houses in County Wexford, including in Maudlintown, with which Deputy Verona Murphy is familiar. There are such houses in O'Moore Place in Portlaoise and Sligo town. They also appear in Crumlin and Drimnagh.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: They have cavity walls that have been pumped.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: There were two cavity block walls with insulation in the four-inch gap between them. That was the general standard in the 1990s.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: It depends on the workmanship, of course. Thousands of such houses do not have any insulation or concrete walls, with no dry lining or anything on either side of the walls. We need to push this matter within our political groupings. We will note and publish this correspondence. No. 1424B is from Mr. Dave Walsh, chairperson of An Bord Pleanála, dated 30 August 2022, providing...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The reply includes correspondence for Deputy Verona Murphy and transcripts of exchanges in the Dáil. In fairness to her, she has been raising the matter for some time. She asked a specific question that was not answered in the reply. If she proposes exactly what she is looking for, we can revert to An Bord Pleanála.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is the Deputy's proposal that we revert to the chair of An Bord Pleanála?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is it agreed that we request that information? Agreed. I thank the Deputy for her clarification.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: I accept that. In larger towns and cities, there is a need for apartments. For example, a number of apartments would be appropriate in Portlaoise.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Of course. In smaller towns like Duncannon or Mountrath-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: An Bord Pleanála is somewhat moribund at the moment, given the various inquiries.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will seek that clarification. The next correspondence is No. 1446B from Ms Vivienne Flood, head of public affairs at RTÉ, dated 6 September 2022, providing further information requested by the committee regarding contractors. It is proposed to note and publish this correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. We will now move on to correspondence from and relating to private...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy knows the situation with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. We invited officials and want them to come before us in October. That is it. The Secretary General has mentioned unavailability. However, the secretariat will revert back to them and we will confirm that we are actually requesting their attendance here and there is a requirement on the Secretary General...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is fine. The expected figure is €30 million. There are hundreds of millions piling up. The question has to be asked why some of these cases are not referred in the first instance to the An Garda Síochána white-collar crime squad to investigate. There has to be a quicker way of trying to get to the bottom of what is going on. When the report of the inquiry comes out...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We should write to the Department of the Taoiseach about this. As Chair of the Committee of Public Accounts, I have serious concerns that there are bills of hundreds of millions of euro being landed on the taxpayer for these inquiries that take years and, in some cases, decades to carry out, and no one ever prosecuted at the end. The findings are made and they go onto a shelf. The inquiry...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: I do not know. There are two issues here. I am not questioning the Moriarty tribunal report, the report on Siteserv, or the other reports.

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