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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yet, there is going to be a shortage.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is a complete failure and millions of euro are going into the system. Was a figure of €80 million mentioned at one stage, for dental health services?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Even on that point, what is happening? Are there 60 dentists?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We have discussed the matter and representatives of the HSE will appear before the committee. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. Correspondence No. 1370B is from Mr. Mark Griffin, Secretary General, Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications, dated 20 July 2022, providing further information requested by the committee...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: They may be there until March 2024.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: It has been agreed to note and publish the item. No. 1371B is from Mr. John McKeon, Secretary General, Department of Social Protection, dated 20 July 2022, providing further information requested by the committee regarding the Department’s investigation in relation to contractors engaged by RTÉ. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. Is that agreed?...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is also important that we have the CEO here, who is the Accounting Officer and where the buck stops. A less senior person can always divert things back and we maybe do not get as good responses. It is very important that we have the most senior official here. We have dealt with this matter; we will get them in as part of our work programme. It is proposed to note and publish the item...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can. Does the Comptroller and Auditor General wish to come in on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The whole establishment and status of it is unusual because it is not a typical commercial semi-State, which of course is not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General but could be sent for by this committee and would comply in the normal course of events. On the other hand, Irish Water was put in under the Ervia Group at the time because of the unusual nature of it. It now seems its...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is the case at the present.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: That could be useful. I look forward to it happening. It is overdue. We will note and publish this item of correspondence. It is 11.05 a.m. I propose we resume at 11.15 a.m. We will go through a pretty substantial number of items then.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The next item of correspondence is No. 1378 B from Mr. David Moloney, Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, dated 26 July 2022, providing further information requested by the committee regarding public funding for Benefacts. It appears that the Department does not see a direct role for itself, as the Department responsible for public expenditure, in ensuring...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: It seems to have been left hanging there. There is no central record. When we go through the correspondence we see that it states no central record of the implementation of recommendations made is maintained by the Local Government Audit Service. It is an issue. Does the Deputy want to comment on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is supposed to be the Local Government Audit Service.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We know from the meeting at which we dealt with local government funding that each local authority is a separate unit of governance. They have separate governmental structures.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The weakness we identified is that ultimate accountability is to the local authority members in the chamber. Normal practice in smaller local authorities is that two elected members are on the audit committee along with external people with accountancy experience. Their report is presented to the councillors. The problem is that the councillors may not have the resources or adequate...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: Given what has been said will we correspond with NOAC? It might be the best thing to do. We can highlight that we have concerns about this. While each local authority is an independent political and administrative structure, it receives substantial funding from central government. In view of this there is a gap, in that there is little or no accountability. We can ask its view on how...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will check that. We will also query this issue with NOAC. We will note and publish the item of correspondence. No. 1390 B is from Mr. Ciarán Ó hÓbáin, assistant secretary at the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications and is dated 4 August 2022. It provides a further update on recommendations made in our report on the examination of the 2019 and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Sep 2022)

Brian Stanley: The committee members will be happy to hear that. We look forward to receiving that report and I thank Mr. McCarthy. No. 1409B is from Ms Helen Hall, chief executive of the Policing Authority, dated 12 July 2022. It provides a clarification regarding information provided by the committee at the meeting with the authority on 7 April. It is proposed to note and publish this...

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