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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: I welcome the representatives from Teagasc. I will first start with the veterinary medicines side focusing specifically on antiparasitic resistance, that is, where the parasite has resistance to the drug. In its opening statement, Teagasc states that these pathogens are estimated to cost €240 million annually. Is that figure based on a loss from resistant pathogens or pathogens in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Is that an estimated loss without resistance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: It does not factor in resistance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: In layman's and farmer's terms, there is not enough dosing and not enough antiparasitic medicines being administered at the moment based on those figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: I wanted clarification that it was across the board. In the opinion of the witnesses, as people who are leading and working with farmers, if we are about make the system much more stringent by requiring farmers to go and get a prescription, notwithstanding the good husbandry of the Irish farmer, could Teagasc envisage a situation developing in which farmers who would dose now may do so less...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: On that point, while we are having this debate about vets, responsible persons, merchants and co-ops, etc., the veterinary medicine manufacturers also have a major role to play here. If there are no new products, notwithstanding who is prescribing or dispensing, if a parasite has a resistance to it, we need stronger, new or different products. The products on the market are the solution to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Has Teagasc done much research work on antiparasitic resistance? How long does it to take to identify it if someone is dosing or treating a herd with a product? Does it happen gradually or would administering the product have no result in the second year? How long would take to detect, with the naked or untrained eye or even by professionals, that there is a problem and there has been...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: My next question is more for my own information. If a pathogen develops resistance, does that apply to the entire species? Can pathogens in one herd be resistant to a particular product, while pathogens in the next herd are not, because of the way that herd has been treated or managed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Yes to which?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: It is through the management of a herd that resistance can develop. It is not a case of a pathogen in nature developing an overall resistance to these products in an effort to preserve itself.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Teagasc's submission states, "the design of the fertiliser register should focus on moving as quickly as possible to a real-time system." This is for Teagasc's own advisers, who will be working with farmers. What issues do the witnesses foresee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: If there is a real-time set-up, will there still be an issue with farmers having to keep an eye on where they are? Will the Teagasc adviser have the technology? Will every farmer be able to keep an eye on where they are going?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: Teagasc has put that into its system. Are there indications that it will not be a real-time system?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (28 Sep 2022)

Paul Daly: How is the correlation made between what is purchased and what is actually spread? For example, what would happen if I wanted to buy 20 tonnes of nitrogen in September but I had a good year and there was a chance of fertiliser prices going up again, so I decided to buy 60 tonnes because I had a few bob? We can use the day of delivery rather than the day of purchase for the example. When I...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (6 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: This morning I want to discuss again the latest narrative on potential energy shortages. The Minister with responsibility for energy needs to come to the House for a debate on the issue. I would like to see the debate focused on the role of the energy companies in this potential and threatened crisis. I can give a number of examples. I have been contacted by somebody who installed solar...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I welcome the representatives from the ILMA and the IPU. I will be brief because as I said last week, we have been over a lot of this and are at the stage where we want to be solution-focused. There is a lot of correlation between what we heard from both groups and what we heard from ICOS last week. What are the ILMA's issues with the Bill?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Based on the figures from the witnesses about the drop-off in antimicrobials and what we heard last week, what are the ultimate consequences for them if those changes are not made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: Is it down to the responsible person? How can these issues be addressed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: I have a final question for the association. I am conscious that we do not want to fully concentrate on the veterinary medicine issue. The Bill also includes the fertiliser register. Many of ILMA's members sell fertiliser too. How are they fixed with regard to the implementation of technology and related training that will be required?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Oct 2022)

Paul Daly: That was a comprehensive answer. I have questions for the IPU. There has been much talk about the RP. When people train to become pharmacists in college, how much is orientated towards veterinary issues? The IPU is best placed to answer that question. Is there a substantial element of veterinary issues in training to be a pharmacist? The union mentioned the HPRA task force recommended...

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