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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I wish to comment, in the interest of clarity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: In the interest of clarity, my party has been very co-operative with this committee and constructive but its members are acting as individuals on this matter. I say that for the benefit of Senator Mullen. He may not be aware that members of the Fianna Fáil Party have a free vote and we are acting as individuals on these matters. I know that he was not being mischievous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: The matter is referred to in the report of the original Citizens' Assembly and is at the bottom of a page.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I propose that we do not vote on this in view of the fact that we have already set limits on it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I withdraw my proposal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: In theory, if it was fully decriminalised, we could have a situation where a partner could-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: We all agree with the sentiment I think we need to be-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: We know what we want to do but we do need it reflected in the report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: Are we dealing with the issues of contraception, reproductive health and sex education together? Are we dealing with all of the ancillary recommendations together?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: We are not dealing with the issue of sex education yet. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: Is this in connection with contraception or sex education?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I am trying to be helpful to the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I welcome our delegates. I assume they have all seen the "RTÉ Investigates" programme. The first question that must be asked is this whether the delegates surprised when they saw the programme or whether they were shocked, or both? Did they have any inkling that this type of activity and practice was being carried out? The witnesses have referred to the fact that it was limited....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: That €90 million has to be made up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: It was €44 million but now they have to find another €46 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: How do they find that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: Mr. Woods is speaking about people being admitted through emergency departments. There are many other ways through which patients enter hospitals. Is there incentivisation in that regard? Consultant X who has two patients, one private and the other public, in a hospital that needs funds could opt to treat the private patient ahead of the public patient because the hospital would be paid...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: For the record, I asked questions as opposed to making statements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: Ms Cowan references an important point. If one looks at the recruitment of consultants, we cannot fill posts. There is a market. If a person's skill is urgently required and there is a scarce pool of that skill, then that person has an advantage over the HSE or the system since that person is required and can put on pressure by not complying with contracts because he or she knows that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Billy Kelleher: I have an observation. There are 680,000 people on one waiting list or another. They are primarily public patients. That is out of a population of approximately 2.7 million people. For those people who are going through inordinate delays and in many cases suffering, the information in the "Prime Time" programme would exacerbate their difficulties. They would feel like second-class...

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