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Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: How many?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have two numbers for how many Nursing Homes Ireland represents.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: How many homes does Nursing Homes Ireland represent?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What is the context? How many homes are there?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The number is 440.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The 374 Nursing Homes Ireland represents all pay a membership fee.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: For that privilege, Mr. Daly is the chief executive and on a salary, while Mr. Pratt is the chairperson. The witnesses do not have a very good opinion of the National Treatment Purchase Fund. Am I being fair or wrong in saying that?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Would Mr. Daly-----

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I share those concerns and we will ask the questions. I have read it and an announcement was made. These are practical things on which we can agree. In view of his opening statement, Mr. Daly does not have very high regard for the National Treatment Purchase Fund, or does he?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. Daly hold it in high regard?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: And obviously more profit for that model in the provision of services.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: We have had representatives of the National Treatment Purchase Fund and the Health Service Executive before us. In fairness, we give them a hard time, as is our duty, but we cannot subject nursing homes to the same scrutiny. They do not come within our remit because they are voluntary or private for-profit companies. There is an imbalance immediately. Is that right from the point of view...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have a little difficulty in that regard. When we go back to a certain meeting about which I will ask Mr. Daly, I am sure he will be happy to talk about it since we wrote to and invited the witnesses. At the time the date did not suit, although the witnesses were open to coming, but they participated in a meeting in October 2015, at which point many things were discussed, including a...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. Daly, please, listen to my question because I will be stopped by the Chair? That meeting took place and Mr. Daly was at it. Was the issue of a boycott discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: As I said, when we talk about openness and transparency, we do not spare the rod when representatives of public bodies come before us. At the meeting did Mr. Daly discuss the issue of a boycott, among other measures?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I am not referring to any note but to a meeting about which I have asked Mr. Daly who has confirmed that he was at it.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Was it discussed at the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. Daly, please, listen to my question? Was the issue of a boycott discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Did Mr. Daly hear about the issue of a boycott being discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: If Mr. Daly is not prepared to discuss it, I will accept it.

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