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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does Ms McCaffrey see the memos and articles?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does Ms McCaffrey audit them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does the Department of Justice and Equality audit them? Does the Comptroller and Auditor General audit them? Can I ask Mr. McCarthy his impression of what has just been outlined, remembering that we have covered the Templemore terrain already?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Was Mr. McCarthy aware of this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What was Mr. McCarthy told?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What information was given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Will the secretariat put that on the screen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: So am I, but there is a lot of cash involved here. I wish I had had more time this morning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: If they want a three minute break they can-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I do not plan to go much further, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----I believe this issue has to be teased out a little bit further.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Who was in possession? I think there was an answer ongoing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does he remember my last question or will I repeat it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I will ramble again then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We will catch that train in a second. Ms McCaffrey said that each mess has an account and that there are small amounts of money in these accounts because they are run on a not-for-profit basis. I am using estimates and that is the reason we need figures, audits and so on. I suggested spending in the messes might be €10 per person per day. That came from my own research in asking...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. That figure tallies pretty well with what my estimated cost per member of staff of €5 per day. We know the mess committees are not paying the staff. Do the prisoners who help in the messes receive an allowance for their work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am guessing the mess committee does not pay them and the payment comes out of the funds of the Prison Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I understand. I am referring to the money that comes in from the mess account, that is, the potential €3.6 million that I outlined.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: They are suggested figures but in the absence of Ms McCaffrey putting forward alternative figures, there is a problem.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is right.

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