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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Was the State Claims Agency aware of the memos that we, subsequently, became aware of?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Was the State Claims Agency ever alerted, by any agency, about what was going on in terms of these memos and matters being highlighted?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Was the State Claims alerted?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Never.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I am afraid that I will run out of time. My last question is for Mr. Connaghan. I have read what Dr. Gabriel Scally has said and I have read the two reports. Can I presume that Mr. Connaghan has read them too?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Is Mr. Connaghan comfortable that it takes an interim report, on 11 June, for Dr. Scally to tell us that it is disappointing and unclear? Why do we need a report to tell us and the HSE that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I did not ask Mr. Connaghan whether he was disappointed. Why has it come to this that it takes a progress report to set out that Dr. Scally is disappointed and unclear?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What happened? Why was this matter not sorted out? Why did Dr. Scally have to highlight the matter in written form in a report?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: No. I ask Mr. Connaghan what happened with the process, procedures and communication with an independent scoping exercise that forced Dr. Scally to say he was disappointed not to get the documentation.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Look Mr. Connaghan, Dr. Scally did not personalise the matter. He said: "It is disappointing and unclear why documents that would originally have been prepared in electronic format" and so on. Why was it unclear on 11 June after so much pain and difficulties?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Connaghan may have answered this earlier. On page 12 of his report, Dr. Gabriel Scally recommends that a process be commenced as soon as possible for structured conversations all of the women. Where do matters stand in the context of that recommendation and whose responsibility is it? Dr. Scally mentioned Mr. Justice Quirke's commission as an example.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It is the final recommendation on page 12.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That is fine. I just want to know whose responsibility it is. It was not clear to me whether it is that of Dr. Scally or of the HSE. I refer again to the recommendation of a process being commenced as soon as possible for structured conversations with every woman so that it be documented. Does Mr. Connaghan understand that to be Dr. Scally's responsibility?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I would like clarification just on that recommendation.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It would be Dr. Scally's team.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. McCallion confirm that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That is lovely.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I just want that confirmed.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It is a little difficult that we do not know. Perhaps, inadvertently, it lies with Dr. Scally, but it should be crystal clear as to who is responsible. Here we go again. I have a few minutes and I am trying to establish who is responsible. Perhaps it is Dr. Scally that is at fault on this particular occasion. I do not know. It should, however, be crystal clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Connaghan can tell the Chair that afterwards. I want to use my time effectively. I do not want reassurance, I want to see procedures in governance so that we do not end up back here again. There is a scoping exercise and a commission in place because it failed. Reassurance is too late now.

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