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- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: That is fair enough, but when we look at this budget, this figure and the explanation, we are left with no idea of what the components were. At least three years ago there was some breakdown but now we have no breakdown. We are not carrying out our duty to extract that information in order to impart it to those that we represent, and that is all we want to do. It has been stated that...
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: A vote has been called in the Dáil but please proceed.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: I hear what Mr. Kinnane says, which is basically that there was not agreement between the stakeholders on what the figure was made up of or there was unanimity.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: We need to wrap up.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: Does this go back to core expenditure?
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: That is what I was saying: current expenditure.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: You are talking about Page 2?
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: The Deputy is quoting the figure excluding core capital expenditure for ELS in the summer economic statement 4 July 2023 which is given as €2.3 billion.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: To clarify that, is it fair to say that ELS standstill is a delivery of this year's services next year? Is the HSE statement that the €2 billion is for other costs in addition to that?
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: We do not dispute that.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: I made that point earlier.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: Can I interject?
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: I think that point has been made earlier and it is being made to the witnesses. The committee is not satisfied by the fact the level of detail that was applied in previous years has not been applied this year. We have asked for that to be noted and for consideration to be given to giving a breakdown to this committee, similar to what was given previously, in order for the committee to do...
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: There would be an estimate within ELS, however, that would seek to give a figure within that €708 million to refer to and account for health inflation in the delivery of the same services as those we got last year, that is, to stand still.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: That is why we need the components.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: But we do not know that. The Deputy is saying we want those details.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: Yes.
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: We are going around in circles. The bottom line is that the witnesses were brought before this committee for the purpose of discussing the standstill costs. The main issue members have with those is that there is not a breakdown or the detail required to identify what components contribute to that figure in its entirety. Regarding the Government decision to allocate €22.5 billion to...
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: I thank members and the witnesses for their presentations, the manner in which they sought to answer questions and the detail they went into. The main thrust of our ask is to ensure there is an effort to provide the committee and, by association, the House, with the components within ELS provisions for next year and that they be divided into three, in each Department. It is incumbent on us...
- Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Existing Levels of Service Costs: Discussion (15 Nov 2023)
Barry Cowen: Is the Deputy referring to the PBO paper on the existing levels of service?