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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The director general is here with us, namely, Ms McCaffrey. Does she report to Mr. O'Driscoll?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We came across governor discretion earlier on with regard to mobile phones, is there governor discretion here?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I remember the Wheatfield incident because it was publicly acknowledged. It was a tuck shop in the prison and it was the Data Protection Commissioner who came across it was it not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Maybe my research is flawed but that is what I came across. The Irish Prison Service did not come out with its hands up and say that it had a camera in the tuck shop. I am saying that from the witnesses' testimony here today, if there are any cameras surveilling people, they are there without authorisation. Is it fair to conclude that from what has been said?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Therefore, we will not find any capital expenditure on surveillance because there has been no permission for it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay and if there is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I specifically ask for that to be done. Has the Prison Service engaged private investigators, that is, individuals to follow people down the street or home or to keep an eye on people? Would there be any expenditure on that or does it fall under the same directive from 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That has to do with a particular case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am relying on my own research.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I have no difficulty with that and look forward to seeing the outcome of that case. In case we are wrong, I will repeat this. My understanding is nobody is authorised to carry out surveillance by putting in cameras and that nobody is authorised to hire private detectives.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Or to hire private investigators to follow people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In the context of retaining people to in any way follow others outside a prison, the Irish Prison Service was not involved in anything like that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Has the Garda ever been contacted to say, "We are concerned about prison officer A, B or C. Can you help us out?"

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: There is that one case. Any of the anecdotal stuff is all hearsay or vexatious.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. On food safety, my colleague touched on the issue of outside catering. Again, it is anecdotal evidence, but the word around the campfire is that there is outside catering at a number of events. I know that in the normal course there might be a soccer match between one prison and another, leagues and so on, as there are in the Garda and the Army, and that there might be outside...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The cost is covered from the central fund for the Irish Prison Service fund in paying the bills.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. On unqualified personnel dealing with and serving food, I note that, according to a 2018 audit, the HSE stated it was a matter of serious concern. Is there any update on it? Are there still unqualified personnel preparing and serving food?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: As there are 12 prisons, I am not homing in on any one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is it safe to say, notwithstanding an unforeseen event such as an accident on the way to work or an illness, that all staff allocated to that role have the appropriate qualifications ?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: For the record, is it Mr. Culliton's instinct that, yes, it is the case, or, no, that it is possibly or probably not the case?

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