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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay. And the figures that are there for the haircut on junior bondholders, the total is about €5.7 billion. That largely subsequently did happen. I know the previous Government imposed about €10 billion of losses on junior bondholders, the current Government about €5 billion, so that would be out of the pool which is identified there, I would imagine. Is that correct?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: So what is your understanding as to the reason why the proposed imposition of losses of over €9 billion on senior bondholders did not happen at that time?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: And was it your view that because we were in the relatively early days of a three-year programme and the NTMA would not be borrowing on the sovereign bond markets that the impact of imposing losses, even on senior bondholders, while it might have an adverse effect on bond yields, didn't really matter because we weren't in the markets? Was that your view?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: But the NTMA view at that time in March '11 was that savings of in the order of €9 billion were possible in terms of senior bondholders across the different banking institutions?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: It's not insignificant.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay. Can I take you to again, your own booklet, Vol. 1, page 63, and this relates to an approach by the Libyan Investment Authority, no less, to the NTMA in November 2010 and they were proposing to make an investment in Bank of Ireland - proposing to take a 24% stake in terms of ordinary shares from the pension reserve fund and to invest €1 billion of the pension reserve fund shares...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Had the NTMA done business with Libya prior to this? Were you in business with them in terms of any investments or-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Sure-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: And did the meeting happen in Tripoli in-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: -----in December 2010?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: A number of officials from the NTMA would have travelled out and met with-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay, and did it go any further beyond that then?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: And the initial proposal seemed to be that they were prepared to make an investment of ... in the order of €1.4 billion. €1 billion in preference shares and to pay the market value of 24% of the ordinary shares in Bank of Ireland which were ... was about €400 million. And so Colonel Gaddafi didn't quite almost own a good share in Bank of Ireland, Mr. Corrigan? Not...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Yes. So to what extent was there day-to-day contact between that team and the financial institutions? I mean, would the shareholder unit have been getting minutes from the banks, for example, on a-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: And would they also have gone to the Department?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Sub-committees?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Okay, finally, you made reference to the ECB grudgingly providing emergency liquidity assistance to the Irish banks in November 2010. Can you elaborate, what do you mean by that? The ECB was providing record levels of funding to the Irish banks as we know at that time. What was your reaction to the letter from Mr. Trichet of 19 November 2010 which essentially threatened that the ELA may...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: Yes?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (15 Jul 2015)

Michael McGrath: So do you feel that if the ECB had taken a different approach November 2010 and had made a public statement of support for the Irish banking system, along with providing liquidity, that that would have been very helpful to our situation?

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