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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I agree with that. However, in the case of prisoner A, who might be a guest of the State for a considerable period and who wants to have as easy a run as possible, and prison authorities that could do with a bit of intelligence as to what is happening on the landing, can Ms McCaffrey state categorically that said prisoner would be allowed a mobile phone and could feed back to the authorities...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No. If this happens to be coincidental with a case before the High Court-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----that is certainly not my intention.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I assure Mr. O'Driscoll that the source we had here in private session did not bring that matter up with me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Believe it or not, my own independent research actually threw up some of these matters.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can Mr. O'Driscoll answer the question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can Mr. O'Driscoll answer the question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Clearly, there is a legislative provision to ban mobile phones.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What I am asking is, is there a policy, even on an ad hocor casual basis, to allow governors to allow prisoner A to maintain a mobile phone in order to inform on other prisoners in the interest of good intelligence and maintaining order on the landing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It is a yes or a no.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. O'Driscoll's first answer was "Sorry, that is before the courts. I cannot tell you."

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: He is now moving the goalposts and telling me I am getting into security issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Honest to God, guys.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. O'Driscoll has too much experience from being Secretary General of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. He is talking down the clock and not answering the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. O'Driscoll knows what I asked, so can we have an answer?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No, I have not been answered. Mr. O'Driscoll has danced around the matter and told me it is against the law to have a mobile phone in prison. I asked a specific question. On an ad hocor casual basis, in the interest of gathering intelligence and maintaining order within a prison, can a governor allow prisoner A to have a mobile phone in order to inform on others?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It is a yes-or-no answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The answer could be "I do not know", considering Mr. O'Driscoll is new to the Department, and then we could move to someone else.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. Can I ask the Secretary General then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The director general. I apologise.

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