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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Is the argument that the regulation, which the delegates admit is expensive, is excessive?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: As members, we will be asking Department of Finance officials on Thursday for their take on what the delegates are saying today. We will be asking them why all credit unions are being regulated to the same extent. We are trying to pre-empt the discussion and get as much ammunition from the delegates as possible. The cost of regulation is significant and it did not always arise. I believe...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: For the benefit of viewers, could we have examples of regulations that did not exist heretofore but that now exist and are excessively burdensome, particularly for the smaller entities?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Are these funds being created effectively in case one of the entities collapses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Were those funds administered by the Department of Finance, the Central Bank or the credit union regulator?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Farrell said he was reassured that it was a four-year deal. Who said that to him?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: That is very helpful. On Thursday we will have the opportunity to put some of these points to officials and we will hear their take on the sector.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Are these the 50 largest ones?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: The sense of frustration from all of the witnesses is palpable. I do not think they are picking on us, but they are wondering where to turn next. We want to do X, Y and Z and we are not being let. Everyone is saying we should, but no one says we can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: That might bring us to one of the next points. The Chairman alluded to the idea of champions and so on. Most members, not just in this committee but Members of the Houses, have been supportive of the credit union movement over the years. One of the positive points about financial inclusion is the aspect of the "It Makes Sense" loan scheme in co-operation with the Department of Social...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: The product has been piloted in 100 credit unions. Is there a fairly high level of compliance in the repayment of loans?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: At present, the consumer is getting a loan at a much more reasonable rate of interest.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: But the credit unions are not making anything from it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: It comes into the financial inclusion Ms O'Connor mentioned. Does Mr. Johnson wish to speak on this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: That is the sense we have all received from today's meeting. I will ask my colleague, Deputy Michael McGrath, to speak shortly, but there is a fairly united message from all of our guests to the effect that they are frustrated with the system as it is. They are being encouraged to contemplate doing certain things but when they try to do them, there appears to be a barrier or a wall of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: There has been nothing since.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Our guests are saying that there is slow progress, if any.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: In her Mind the Gap address to the CUMA spring conference, Anne Marie McKiernan, the registrar stated:What is striking from our engagements is that, with a small number of notable exceptions, we see little exploration as to how credit unions intend to leverage long term lending to drive future profitability ... Also, we have not received any specific proposal on changing long term lending...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I just wanted Mr. Johnson's take on what was in that speech.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of the Credit Union Sector: Discussion (21 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I am just taking what was said because it is part of the overall dialogue. It is part of what we are trying to consider. By and large, Mr. McCrory knows this industry better than we do. We just want to hear everybody's perspective on it and try to see where the logjams are. The final point, which I raised at a committee meeting with some people from the Central Bank, is that some credit...

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