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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Moving Together: A Strategic Approach to Improving the Efficiency of Ireland’s Transport System: Minister for Transport and Communications (3 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I know that and hopefully you will still be in the post of Minister for Transport.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Moving Together: A Strategic Approach to Improving the Efficiency of Ireland’s Transport System: Minister for Transport and Communications (3 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Twenty minutes is a long time at the moment but hopefully you will still be in the same position next week. The meeting is now adjourned. The next meeting of the committee will be at 4 p.m. next Tuesday on Microsoft Teams. Thank you all very much.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I welcome the Minister, Deputy Humphreys.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 1 in the names of Senators Higgins and Ruane is out of order as it involves a potential charge on the Exchequer.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Section 3 is opposed by Senators Warfield and Gavan, who are not present. Is the section agreed to?

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Amendments Nos. 3 to 10, inclusive, have been ruled out of order as there is a potential charge on the Revenue.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I apologise for interrupting the Minister. I welcome Deputy Verona Murphy and her guest to the House. They are very welcome.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: May I just make a point, please? We are concluding-----

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Let me make my point first. We will be concluding at 6.15 p.m., so if the Senator wants to get to her other amendments, we need to keep going.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I heard the Minister state a couple of times that nothing has changed bar the fact it is pay related.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I am saying that is what I heard.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I will bring in Senator Higgins and then go back-----

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: That is the Senator's interpretation. I think-----

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Senator Higgins will resume her seat as Senator Ruane is speaking.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: For purposes of clarification, is the Senator asking whether it applies in the current system and if it will continue to apply in the new system?

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Hold on, let me talk to Senator Ruane about trying to understand it. We are going round in circles a bit. The Senator is asking if it is currently the case that someone might be asked for the same rate of pay in work experience and will that be perpetuated in the future legislation. Is that correct?

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I want to let the Minister back in. I call Senator Higgins, very briefly.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: It is training, yes.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Before I bring the Minister in, I welcome as guests of Senator Fitzpatrick who is in the Gallery: Seán Eithne, Maeve and Josephine Cody, Aidan and Joe Moore, and Mark as well. They are all very welcome to Seanad Éireann and to Leinster House. I hope they enjoy their evening here with all of us and enjoy the rest of their stay. I call the Minister.

Seanad: Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (9 Jul 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Amendments Nos. 13 to 16, inclusive, are out of order because of a potential charge on the Revenue.

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