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Written Answers — Department of Housing, Planning, and Local Government: Internal Audits (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: 343. To ask the Minister for Housing, Planning, and Local Government if his Department has completed an external quality assurance assessment of its internal audit function as required by the Institute of Internal Audit standards that were introduced in 2012 (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [5114/18]

Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Internal Audits (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: 352. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if her Department has completed an external quality assurance assessment of its internal audit function as required by the Institute of Internal Audit standards that were introduced in 2012 (details supplied); and if she will make a statement on the matter. [5107/18]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I should say at the outset that this does not fundamentally refer to local property tax, so I do not believe it falls within the rubric of Government policy. It refers to the allocation of funding to local government, as it relates formally to the local government fund. The information was gathered around 2000 based on what was known as the needs and resources model. It counted what was...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Deputy Connolly will see from the table that I did not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The overall expenditure from all sources gives an indication of-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I will give the example of Tipperary versus Galway to put the cat among the pigeons.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: There is quite a large disparity between them. The difference is not exclusively between urban and rural. Sometimes, it is also between rural and rural.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: In fact, the vast majority of cases may not have cost the RTB legal fees. They are done by way of a mediation process. Although that process may have some legal aspect to it, it would be quite useful to see what the client or complaint ratio is and what requires legal attention or not. Any member who has experience of dealing with the kind of issues that go to the RTB finds that it is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I welcome the witnesses. When we get to this point in the meeting, a lot of the questions will have been asked. I am generally supportive of shared services and consolidation rather than fragmentation. It always comes with a health warning, however. We want it to be effective as well. Some of the examples Ms Lyons has drawn attention to where there is consolidation, such as the likes of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Is that employees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Prior to this, they would have gone into somebody within their own organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: In respect of the staff who have migrated over, that would obviously have been done on a voluntary basis. The office is not necessarily getting people who were in the HR sections of the various Departments. Would that be the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Roughly what proportion of the 770 would have come from the human resources, HR, unit in the various Departments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of ratio are we talking about in terms of HR and payroll?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Presumably those Departments would have retained a HR function.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Is that included in the business case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Sometimes the remoteness can cause problems but Ms Murphy-Fagan reckons that is covered, for example, if people say they received too much, that stops some of the problems later on, including for themselves.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: There were 648 cases of overpayment where no value was recorded. It was estimated that would be possibly an additional €650,000. Is it still the case that by not putting a value on them, the National Shared Services Office, NSSO, cannot put a repayment plan in place? Have the ones that do not have a value been resolved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Are they fairly recent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Catherine Murphy: What was their value? Do the witnesses know what is the total value?

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