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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: My thanks to Mr. Jacobs and Deputy Farrell. I now bring in Deputy Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: A vote has been called in the Seanad. I will ask some brief questions and then ask someone to take the Chair. It has been mentioned that many other airports do not have passenger caps. Why are we moving to a cap of 40 million? Why are we moving to any cap?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Did the DAA apply for a passenger cap?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Where has the 40 million figure come from?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: This is my point. If there were no passenger cap the DAA could probably operate the current building and current terminals, perhaps extending the hours a little closer to midnight and moving some of what is at the peak. There are downtimes in the afternoons. The airport could probably operate to 37 million or 38 million passengers today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs is saying there is a 40 million cap. Where has this figure come from? Did the DAA write it into documentation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Why are we all talking about 40 million then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I want Shannon Airport and Cork Airport to grow. I do not particularly want every person in Ireland flying through Dublin Airport. If half of them were not there it would make my experience a more pleasant one when I am going through Dublin Airport. I am concerned about the DAA seeking a 40 million passenger cap because, by the time it gets it and plans and builds the infrastructure, the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Planning is a long piece of string. When does the DAA expect Fingal County Council to say "Yea" or "Nay" so it can start to put measures in place? Fingal County Council granting the planning application does not mean Dublin Airport can operate to 37 million or 38 million passengers and the cap is gone. It will only be when the DAA builds all of this infrastructure in theory.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: The minute Fingal County Council states that it has given the DAA planning permission to do more, it will be able to start operating to 35 million or 36 million passengers on the basis of the existing building. When does the DAA think it will get planning permission from Fingal County Council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Michael O'Leary seemed to say that the environmental scheme discourages him from using 737 MAX aeroplanes rather than existing planes. Why would he say that? Surely the 737 MAX is more environmentally friendly than the previous model. Does the scheme not incentivise him to use the 737 MAX here?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs thinks it does, but Mr. O'Leary does not think it does. Why does he disagree with Mr. Jacobs' opinion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: It is not so much the discount scheme as the environmental scheme, which encourages airlines to bring the quieter, newer-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Based on everything I know about the Ryanair business model, why would he not want to pay 25% less?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: Other people mentioned the tunnel. I keep finding that the power points there do not work. Maybe I am just unlucky, but perhaps someone needs to review all the power points. I know they can get broken one day having only been fixed the day before. Perhaps the USB ports could also be reviewed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: In the context of 100,000 passengers, that may not be that many.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Summer Plans for Dublin and Cork Airports: DAA (19 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the witnesses for all they do and we look forward to seeing them again. I may not be back in time for the proposed finish time of 3.30 p.m. If I am, I am. We have to vote in the Seanad. There may be a few votes. Is it agreed that Deputy Duncan Smith take over as Chair? Agreed.

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Second Stage (25 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I welcome the Minister of State to the House. I apologise for not being present for his speech, but I have read it and the briefing note in advance. I will not rehash what is in the briefing notes because he has outlined all of it clearly and comprehensively. I want to touch on airlines, as a member and vice chair of the transport committee. I have raised this with the Minister, Deputy...

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Second Stage (25 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: This Thursday.

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: Second Stage (25 Jun 2024)

Gerry Horkan: I can say next Tuesday if Senators want.

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