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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes. I am talking about Aramark.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Were 12 other locations offered to the Department voluntarily and are these providing services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Department had to hit the ground running with this and there was not time to tick all the boxes. However, much of this will become more long term. In situations such as this, when there is time to undertake proper procurement processes, along with looking at the quality of services being provided, including the quality of food and so on, which is an issue some of the Deputies raised,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am not asking about what the Department expects.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Where there are sectoral agreements, agreed by the Labour Court, and all of that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does the Department compel companies to respect them or does it expect them to?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I do not want to focus on any particular company. I am asking, now that the Department has time to gather itself, whether it will require companies to meet any sectoral pay agreements and basic employment rights.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: These are State contracts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. McCarthy briefly touch on the situation with Tusla and social workers? When Tusla was before the committee last year, we were told it basically had half the number of social workers it needs. We all know that we need a pipeline for supply. We can beat the HSE up in here all we like but the reality is that, unless we fix the supply pipeline issues with regard to education, training...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is Mr. McCarthy referring to the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I do not wish to highlight any particular case, but children are in very difficult circumstances. The fact that social workers are stretched and are unable to give each case the time and attention it needs can have appalling outcomes for the child, who has to be at the centre of all of this. Thankfully, of late I have not seen too many such cases. A few years ago, there seemed to be a lot...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: And rightly so. What happens after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Some 60 social workers left Tusla between January 2021 and July 2021. Ten went on career breaks, 20 went to new job opportunities, 13 went to other health agencies and more than 21 cited personal reasons for leaving. Around 33 social workers moved on to other jobs. It is obviously very challenging work.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Apologies for rushing Mr. McCarthy. I ask the Department to come back to us with information on the current pipeline.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I appreciate that. It is daunting for a young social worker who has just finished university and is recently qualified to be handed the work of two people. The social workers do not stay in the job, which compounds the problem. It is a similar story in other areas of the health service. Unless we can give people a normal workload, we will not retain them. We do not build up the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is also important that they have the same social worker. If a child's social worker changes, it causes problems. I thank the witnesses from the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform for joining us today, and the staff in the Departments who were involved in preparing for the meeting. I also wish to thank...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon includes approval of the minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, our work programme, and any other business. The first item is the minutes of our meeting of 26 May, which have been circulated to members. Does any member wish to raise any matter relating to those minutes? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: In regard to Limerick and Clare ETB, there were six recommendations and five of them were highlighted. Is the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General satisfied those five recommendations relating to non-compliant procurement have been implemented?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. It involves €1.58 million of public procurement. It relates to some stuff that is seen in the other ETBs, such as bus hire and so on, while some of it relates to Covid, such as Perspex screens.

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