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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: So the average per person would be about €23,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the longest stay at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Four or five years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Would it run over seven years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: In cases where properties have to be upgraded, who pays for that? Is it the Department or the owner of the premises? I am talking about where a building would require upgrades to make it suitable; for example, a former hotel. Who pays for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Who pays?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Would the Department meet those costs 100%?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has the Department ever closed down a centre? If so, what would be the reason for this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: What other reasons would the Department have to close a centre? Fire safety is one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: For the 3,000 plus in the system who have Irish citizenship and are working, is the main or sole reason they are there the issue of accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Have they achieved Irish citizenship by that stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is a great deal of discussion of a new model, and the White Paper was mentioned at this meeting, but what are we talking about exactly? Is it own-door accommodation? There is a challenge in this respect. Who will provide the accommodation? A year or two ago, there was some talk about the State providing it directly, or approved housing bodies or contractors providing it, similar to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Would the first step outside direct provision be accommodation that was owned by the State, including a local authority, or a contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Given the situation in Ukraine, we have to help those people. For people stuck in direct provision who have made progress in terms of naturalisation, it is better if they are able to work and participate in society. There is also the housing crisis. This is the perfect storm, with three major pressures and where we have to meet a range of demands. While I welcome the White Paper, will we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: Given the various circumstances and pressures, when will the first people move from direct provision to the new model? Will it be this year or next year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy O'Connor. He has ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Deputy to be very brief.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(2 Jun 2022)

Brian Stanley: On 9 or 10 October, the outcome will be known. I will ask Mr. McCarthy about the contract in respect of Ukrainians. I understand the context. It was an enormous problem. I acknowledge the efforts of the Department and everybody involved because it was an unprecedented challenge. Many people wondered how it could be done. I recognise that substantial effort has been made but, in the...

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