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Order of Business. (20 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I would like to say something. As someone-----

Order of Business. (20 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: As a member of the sub-committee asked to address this issue on behalf of the CPP, I would like to put people's concerns to rest.

Order of Business. (20 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: The report arose from an incident in the House and the CPP was asked to determine how to deal with such matters in future. A sub-committee was set up, dealt with the issue and reported back to the CPP. There is nothing extraordinary in any of this. It is a question of procedural matters. It is not a matter of secrecy.

Order of Business. (20 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I was asked to serve on the sub-committee, which did its work and reported. I hope that every Member will get a copy of the report before it is adopted.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: Question 36: To ask the Minister for Social Protection the reason a distinction is now being made as regards the payment of PRSI at Class S rate, between those in retirement who purchase an annuity to draw down income and those who do likewise by using approved retirement funds; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21938/10]

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I will ask the Minister a direct question. If the two of us retire at 65 years and we receive our payment from our pension fund, and the Minister decides to purchase an annuity and he draws down €20,000 a year and I decide to put mine into an ARF and I draw down €20,000 a year, does it make sense to him that he does not pay PRSI whereas I do?

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: The Minister should answer the question.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: Why charge PRSI?

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: That is not true.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: The Minister for Finance set up this system whereby people were given an alternative as to whether they would purchase an annuity or else put the money into an approved retirement fund and draw down their income from that. The main difference, from the State's point of view, is that the State is guaranteed for all time, so long as the fund remains in place, and PAYE is paid on all of the...

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: It was not charged up to this year.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: It is the Minister's interpretation.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: When I refer to the Minister, I mean his Department as he represents the Department.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: The Minister asked about someone who might retire at 63. If the Minister retires at 63 he can equally get an annuity as easily as an income from an ARF. The point I am trying to put across to the Minister is that if A draws his income from an annuity, he is not asked to pay PRSI. If B draws an income from an ARF which is exactly the same as it is a fund, the same as an annuity is a fund,...

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I wish to ask the Minister a straight question. As Minister for Social Protection, will he bring to Cabinet any proposals to reduce the contributory old age pension?

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: "Yes" or "No".

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: The Minister is not bringing forward proposals.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I am asking the Minister if he is bringing forward proposals.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: I am not asking the Minister what he is bringing forward; I am asking him to confirm whether he will not be bringing forward proposals.

Pension Provisions (25 May 2010)

Seán Barrett: So the Minister is not ruling out a cut in the State's old age pension.

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