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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I was about to address that piece. I have a note in front of me regarding it. Witnesses appeared before this committee a number of weeks ago who spoke about this. The HSE knows that the evidence base for the PDS includes the lived experience of health services of children with disabilities and their families, gathered through family representation, surveys, observations, assessments,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I will get the Senator that answer. I am talking about 12 years ago but we will get that piece for the Senator. It is not a problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: Ought to happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: The HSE would say they are happening and that every assessment is an intervention. It would say that every child who is seen is an intervention space.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank the Senator. I will skip straight on to schools and will let the team answer some of the other questions. First, on why the HSE has failed to deliver on putting therapies back in to the schools, in 2021, PDS was being rolled out and therapists were coming out of the schools in Dublin. There was also the school of the deaf in Cork. The exact time was May. At that stage there was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: The conversation here today is almost making me a little nervous because I am terrified that someone will go and challenge that and that if it ends up being challenged then everything ends up having to be 36 hours. That would slow down delivery again because I have no other mechanism of it. However, at the same time the HSE and the Department of Education accept them as long as they are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: However, everything has to come back to the HSE because it holds the legislative requirement to ensure that we sign off on everything. We can do it one way and not the other. I think there was a question about the Departments playing their role.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: Squeezing money, I hope, from them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank the Deputy for discussing that point. I will share openly with him that I chair our workforce planning and what he said is really important to me. We are trying to increase the number of places. To be fair to the Minister, Deputy Donohoe, and the previous Minister, Deputy Harris, they were really good at increasing places. The point is that if we do not capture them when they are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: Let me reassure the Deputy, who knows me quite well, that there are no games on the side of the House and none in the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. To be very fair to the team here, to Mr. Colm Ó Conaill, the assistant secretary, and to the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman. We want nothing more than a functioning system. To be very fair to Mr. Ó...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I thank Deputy Murnane O'Connor. She asked about action plan reporting and monitoring progress to date. The action plan will be monitored by an independent monitoring group, drawing on the membership of the disability stakeholder strategic advisory group and chaired by me. The group will meet twice a year to ensure that we are delivering what is set out in the action plan. The latter...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: It has.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: For those waiting the longest, the HSE will go out to the private market to secure assessment for them. This will be done very clearly through the assessment officer so there is no interference with the process. A child waiting two and a half years or three years will be assessed. It will be those waiting the longest who will get the opportunity to access assessment. We will start in a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: The reason is that some therapists choose to work for the private sector on a Saturday.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: This is what is going on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I am not critical of this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: For fear I would get into trouble, everybody is entitled to their choice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (10 Jul 2024)

Anne Rabbitte: I know that I can do it because I did it four years ago. It can be done again. It is about using the same structured approach to do it, working with what we have in-house, taking overtime opportunities and outsourcing work to drive down waiting lists.

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