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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: -----with some timeframes in it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: -----but nothing really specific, because Ms Larkin and the board are working on that in the context of zoning, etc.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: So there will be a period of time from now into the future within which some of this may or may not be achieved, because zoning is not an immediate matter. It could take Bord na gCon a considerable length of time. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: We can come back to the business plan before the end of the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: What are the costs to date?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: You should have those figures with you, Mr. Murnane.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: That is a "No", I take it.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Ms Larkin said that the audit function is outsourced, but to what company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: What is amazing about that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Arising from that contributrion and previous questions, what Department, prior to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, was responsible for oversight of the operations of Bord na gCon?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Did officials from the relevant section of that Department transfer to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Was there any conversation with them?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: There were one-to-one meetings with officials. Did they indicate there was a problem? I was a member of the Committee of Public Accounts which examined not this issue but other issues prior to 2007. Did officials of the then Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism flag to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine that it was taking on a problem case?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Arising from the governance issues which led to the Dalton report and Comptroller and Auditor General's report of 2008, at the time when approval was sought to double the borrowing capacity of the group what examination took place? What in-depth analysis led the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to agree to this?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I know that Mr. Gleeson was not in the Department in 2009, but I would like him to focus on the information he received relative to that request, or did he receive any?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Did the Department believe at the time that there was an onus on it to ensure the strategic plan was tested to the point where issues arising from that examination would be highlighted for Bord na gCon? What happened? Was the plan tested in any way? Mr. Ryan may respond, if he so wishes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that, but was the strategic plan tested prior to the decision being made to allow Bord na gCon to increase its borrowing limit?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that, but the Department was. The administration of the State was involved. I am not being personal because Mr. Ryan was not there but would somebody tell me if the administration of the State, whoever it was, tested that strategic plan or was it just impressed by the story it was told?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. Ryan is in the same category as Mr. Murnane who does not have answers to some of the questions he was asked.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Would Mr. Ryan find out what official dealt with that strategic plan in 2006 and 2007? Who signed off on that plan? Was it tested in any way, given the background, from Mr. Dalton’s report right through to the Comptroller and Auditor General’s report? Who tested it and who signed off on the plan? He might be able to tell us, and he should feel free to do so, whether it was...

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