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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I will be more distinct. A debate is happening outside the Houses. The trade union movement through ICTU, IBEC on behalf of the business groups and almost every other group is saying that the fiscal rules in respect of capital spending are not fit for purpose. The Committee on Budgetary Oversight will publish a report that will say the same. What is the Department that is responsible for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Who sets the expenditure benchmark?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: It is not a fixed amount. Is it negotiable? Obviously, the Government must work within the rules, but it is not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: It would be helpful if Mr. Watt was able to furnish this committee with the application of the rules in respect of capital spend, and details of what flexibilities have been agreed with the Commission in recent years. Smoothing is one example, and the Department of Finance told us there were others which we had succeeded in getting from the Commission. If there are other flexibilities which...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I will come to public sector pay shortly. I have a slight concern that, outside the Committee of Public Accounts, there is an ongoing live and necessary debate on the application of the fiscal rules and their fairness, and whether they are fit for purpose. In a Dáil committee this morning, the Minister expressed the view that they were not but I do not get a sense of urgency from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: That is the beauty of this. Mr. Watt spoke of industrial peace in respect of the new public sector pay agreement. What was the key issue that brought about industrial unrest in the public service in recent years? What was the one issue that drove industrial unrest?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I am asking about where there was industrial unrest in the public sector.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: The key driver of industrial disputes and threatened industrial action, in An Garda Síochána, teachers, nurses etc., has been the issue of restoring the public sector to a single-tier pay structure or equal pay for equal work. I have met Mr. Watt and the Minister a number of times on this issue and have tried to get a costing for returning the public service to a single-tier pay...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I wish to ask one further supplementary question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I have read all of the previous agreements, including the FEMPI Acts, cover to cover so I know exactly what was taken from workers. From 1 January 2011, in addition to all of the other FEMPI cuts, workers who came into the system suffered further cuts. There was some merging of bands in the Haddington Road agreement and there were PRD changes in the most recent agreement. I fully...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I am not talking about that, I am aware of this allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I have one final point. I can tell Mr. Watt that those workers affected by this issue who are on low and middle incomes and are struggling to pay mortgages and rent, certainly would not see it as an occupational hazard. They would see it as-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: -----an occupational hazard for Mr. Watt possibly, but for those who have to live with it-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: The Department has €880 million and the cost of doing this would be €200 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report 95: Financial Reporting in the Public Sector
(6 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I remind Mr. Watt that he is not yet the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform. If and when he ever wants to stand for election and become a Deputy he will be more than welcome to so.

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Quality and Qualifications Ireland Administration (11 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: 95. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the measures her Department has taken to address the issue of tax vetting procedures in relation to the issuing of training certificates for crane drivers; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [32176/17]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Departmental Expenditure (11 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: 189. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the unallocated spend within his Department for 2017; the expenditure allocated to programmes in 2017 which are due to cease in 2017; the funds which will become available within his Department's expenditure profile in 2018 due to changes in demand for services and goods and or changes to costs within his Department; and if he will...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (11 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: 190. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the number of staff full time equivalents employed by the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General in each of the years 2008 to 2016 and to date in 2017, in tabular form; the expenditure on salaries, wages and allowances, travel and subsistence, training and development, incidental expenses, postal and telecommunications...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (11 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: 191. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the number of staff full time equivalents employed by the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General that were engaged in audit in each of the years 2008 to 2016 and to date in 2017, in tabular form. [32412/17]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (11 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: 192. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the number of staff full time equivalents employed by the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General that were engaged in reporting in each of the years 2008 to 2016 and to date in 2017, in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [32413/17]

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