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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: The ability to vindicate the rights of the consumer varies in different jurisdictions. This point is key to how we deal with the situation in the future. Is there a more effective way from the consumer point of view of dealing with a problem in the United Kingdom? I do not know the entity that does it. Are there different entities that deal with different aspects of the issues so that we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I cannot hear Mr. Hodnett too clearly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Is there any agency that has them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Perhaps that is where we need to look.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: The point is that Ryanair did not notify the Commissioner for Aviation Regulation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I will intervene here. I think Captain O'Connor wished to reply. Then I will take Deputy Mick Barry's questions. However, I think we know what everyone is saying here, if that is fair enough.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I want to be fair to everyone. In fairness to him, Deputy Barry has been waiting for a long time. If Deputy Munster would like to come back in at the end-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: In fairness, Deputy Munster, his answer was very clear. I call Deputy Barry and then we will hear from Deputy BrĂ­d Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I do not wish to interrupt any Deputy but I do not know if it is appropriate to use the word "bogus". I am not stopping the Deputy from saying what he is saying but we have to be responsible in what we are saying. If the Deputy is saying that people are self-employed, that is fine. However, I do not know what he means when he uses the word "bogus".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Would Deputy Smith like to ask any questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Before those questions are answered I want to make the point, in fairness, that in terms of Deputy Smith's allegation of light touch regulation, the facts are that the witnesses are not required to be informed. Is that not the issue? The light touch regulation, therefore, is in this House. We make the laws so in that respect, that is something we have to address.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I just want to make the point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Deputy Smith will be glad to hear that I was not at that event, nor was I there this morning for Willie Walsh-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I welcome the Deputy to this committee meeting. I did not interrupt her. I am trying to be fair to her-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: -----and fair to the witnesses as well. I repeat the point Deputy Munster made before Deputy Smith spoke, which I agree with, that those of us in this House need to get our act together in regard to changing the regulation. It is not the witnesses' fault if the regulation is in place because they were not required to inform them what they were doing. They should have done that. They had a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Excuse me, Deputy. I want to give the witness the opportunity to respond fully.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: I want to hear her further. The Deputy can come back in if she is not happy, but I want to hear her complete her sentences.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Absolutely, it is critical.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Ryanair Service Provision: Commissioner for Aviation Regulation and Irish Aviation Authority (4 Oct 2017)

Fergus O'Dowd: Yes, and then I will bring in the regulator.

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