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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Five per cent on stage 1. Five per cent of €500,000 is €25,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is that enough?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. McCarthy might send us the breakdown on the 5%. Mr. McCarthy told us about the one-stage process, the new 59 weeks and so on, but there were many schemes in the year before last. He spoke about 33 coming in, presumably since the beginning of this year, that he is assessing against that performance period. How many schemes in total for the country are in the system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I understand that. There are 800 schemes or what is the number?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am not interested in anything that is finished.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: There are 550 in total.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is that stage 1?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How many are there between stage 1 and completion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. McCarthy slow down? I am adding these up. Is there a total on that because that might suit me?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Apart from the 33 that came in this year, how many years are they operating?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. McCarthy give us a breakdown of that because anecdotal evidence from some local authorities would suggest that some are there for years. I did not include the approved housing bodies but the Iveagh Trust had a 78 unit one that took seven years. That would be a concern if that was going to be the benchmark for some of the other 442, not including the 33 that are performing so well...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It might also be down to the local authority not having staff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Would it not be fair to say that larger local authorities such as Fingal, with €100 million on deposit at any given time, would be in a position to supplement the staff costs and so on to get to that design stage and get over those initial humps without drawing down the 5% and the 10%? That would not hold it up. Would it not be fair to say that local authorities such as Sligo are at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I know, but some do not have the money while others do. Some have Dublin Airport in their rates base. Others do not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I have two more questions. Has there been any change at a policy level nationally? In his opening address Mr. McCarthy mentioned prevention and matching families with need with appropriate accommodation before they become homeless. Is he aware that many local authorities are telling people they can do nothing for them until they are declared homeless?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: For example, in terms of a marriage break-up as a result of domestic violence. If their name is on a mortgage, the local authority can do nothing for them because the rule is that they own a house, therefore, they do not have a housing need and it cannot look after them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. McCarthy inform us on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: And the mortgage arrears situation where it was a house surrender. If somebody owned the house but they surrendered it because they could no longer afford it, is it the case that they cannot be considered for housing? What is the status of these guidelines? Is it open to the local authority to interpret them or is it obliged to follow them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It is something we all come up against in our constituencies so it would be interesting to get the clear statutory position on that. If there is not one, perhaps-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 10 - Funding and Oversight of Approved Housing Bodies
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
2017 Financial Statements - Housing Agency
(25 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is the problem. Someone must be separated four years before a divorce is possible.

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