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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I did not say that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Wealth and capital tax increases.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I will send the Minister a copy of our budget submission.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: The Minister knows then what I am proposing.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: It is not as fanciful as the Minister's talk of a recovery.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: To what section is the Minister referring?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I support the thrust of the amendments. It is important to say that in proposing such amendments, or supporting them in my case, although they are in line with my party's broad policy on these matters, there is no vendetta against politicians, Ministers or those earning over €100,000. It is about saying a person who earned €30,000 in 2009 will at the end of this deal still...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I am sure pay has something to do with it but there are bigger contributory factors at play. When one is at that level of pay it is not only about the pay levels because they are adequate to keep a roof over your head. I do believe most doctors in Ireland want to get out of the country but a combination of issues is leading them to leave.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Indeed. Much of it has to do with the complete mess in the health service. The other side of the coin in the health service is the nurses. We have a huge deficit in nurses. They are on the low to middle end of the pay scale. Getting them to return to Ireland has to do with both the crisis in the health service and what they are dealing with and also pay, for very good reason. This is...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: The Minister mentioned section 6A.(7) and stated that once the pay restoration brought a person's pay above the pay level they were at when the emergency measures were introduced, ,then the increase would take effect, in other words the person would start to move into plus territory over and above what they were earning in 2009. Is it not a fact that for vast numbers of public servants who...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: That is the figure I have.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: I am referring to figures that I was given here. The Minister said the pay cut was €2,600.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: In total, it was €2,600 by 2010. Is that right?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: It was €1,500.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Yes, but when one adds subsequent measures - I am looking at the list which includes the pension levy and pay cuts - the total offered in the figures is €2,600 as the total reduction on an income of €30,000. By 2018, they will only have received €2,000 of this back, which means that they will still be €600 short.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: That is not the the figure I have.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: The point has been made-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: The amendment is in my name and those of Deputies Stephen S. Donnelly and Mary Lou McDonald. It seeks to delete the references to withdrawing increments which is allowed under the original Act. In his response the Minister said the trade unions were fully entitled to say no-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2015: Committee Stage (10 Nov 2015)

Richard Boyd Barrett: -----and that should not be punished or have the sword of Damocles hanging over their heads in the form of the Minister having the power to withhold increments to which its members were entitled. To refer back to our last discussion, what may explain the difference between the Minister's figures and those provided by IMPACT is precisely the issue of increments being withheld. This adds...

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