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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: The Deputy made an important point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: We are going to set about determining who is left in Positive Action that would come before us, we have to ask the HSE and we have to get the information. We will do that this week and will report back next Thursday. If it is a case that we can put that meeting together quickly, we will have an early hearing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: We will be able to get an early meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: They can explain that when they are due in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: In order to be able to focus on this directly, we should write to WIT and CIT and ask them to extract from their accounts over the years the exact amounts of money that were spent in regard to the project so that we get the figures. Otherwise, we will be looking at accounts and the figures will be wrapped up in some other figure for one thing or another. It is likewise with the HEA. We can...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes, and they should bring these figures because we do not want a job of work to dig out the figures. They should have them on hand and we will then know the exact cost over the years since this began of the merger negotiations or discussions, or the project itself.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I agree. We will set it up as soon as possible. We will ask for the figures beforehand because we need to see them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: That is one way of getting a question in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Can we liaise with the Comptroller and Auditor General on this and take up the Secretary General on his suggestion in the correspondence dated 8 September? We could then outline the two pieces of work, one in regard to the set-up costs of Irish Water and the other, which is similar, on the set-up costs of Poolbeg. Those are the two.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: It is the set-up costs. That is not interfering with the other committees and it is following a suggestion made by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. We will deal with the special report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, Managing Elective Day Surgery.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes. Today we are dealing with the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board. We will agree next week's work and we will then agree to bring in the witnesses to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I remind members, witnesses and those in the Visitors Gallery to please turn off their mobile telephones, as they interfere with sound quality in the transmission of the meeting. I advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give this committee. If they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence in relation to a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to give us an introduction to the reports.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. McCarthy and invite Mr. Pollock to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Pollock. Can we publish his statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: That brings us to the end of the hearing in regard to this morning's business with the National Paediatric Hospital development board. I thank the witnesses for attending and the information they have provided.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I return to the opening part of our meeting. I ask the clerk to the committee or the Comptroller and Auditor General if they can determine from the accounts of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government the amount of money allocated to Irish Water and Poolbeg by the Department. If there were two allocations and with what is going through the Estimates, does that have...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Can we make that clear?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Can we examine those figures? If those two issues are funded directly by the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, they will be in the accounts and, therefore, we can examine those accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
2012 Accounts of the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board
(23 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: It is also in Chapter 7 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report entitled "Matters arising from audit of Vote 25 Environment, Community and Local Government in relation to Water Services". I ask that we get the information, circulate it to members to advise them, send a copy to the legal advisors in the House and establish a right to look at the accounts I have mentioned. Rather than...

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