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Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: In September this year the Minister said that 88 allowances that go to existing beneficiaries will be expedited. How many of those come from the Department of Health?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Of the 88 allowances being expedited by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, seven are in the health area. I refer to allowances for existing beneficiaries that will be removed under the process.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. Of the 88, seven pertain to the area of health.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: As part of that process, was Mr. O'Brien asked to draw up an additional list of allowances that could be abolished as part of the review? We heard from the Department of Education and Skills and the Department of Justice and Equality that they had a number of allowances among the 88 but that they had been asked to draw up a list of other allowances that could be abolished?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Which allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Are those allowances part of the 88?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I am asking whether the executive was asked to draw up a list of allowances in addition to the 88.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Has the HSE done that?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: It appears there are Labour Court rulings behind a number of the allowances and terms and conditions of employment, thereby creating special cases in the health sector. That is interesting.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I have a final question on the existing allowances we want to remove. To remove them, we must enter a buy-out process. Is this what would happen? Is it a question of paying 1.5 times the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Let us try to anticipate what may come down the line. There could be a process of buying out the allowances at 1.5 times the cost. One would make a saving in the longer term, of course, but there would be an initial upfront payment to abolish the allowances. Is that the approach?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: By way of contingency planning, has the HSE costed anything yet? Has the HSE costed the worst-case scenario of buying out allowances at a cost 1.5 times their value? I am trying to figure out what the maximum cost might be and what it could be if there were no compensation.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I appreciate that the purpose of buying out the allowances would be to have long-term savings. Of course, this would require expenditure up front. The buy-out in the case of laboratories was quite expensive. Of course, it is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I am not doubting the value but trying to determine whether we can estimate costs that may be incurred.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: In order to do that at the laboratory, did the HSE have to secure money in advance? Does the process just involve payment as part of normal current expenditure?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive - Review of Allowances (8 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Mr. O'Brien.

Tax Transparency Bill 2012: Second Stage [Private Members] (9 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time." I thank the Chief Whip and the Minister for Finance for facilitating this debate. I also thank the Chief Whip for making the taking of Second Stage debate on a Private Members' Bill possible through his reforms in this House. I thank the officials of the Department of Finance for their engagement in the drafting of the Bill. Agreeing to...

Tax Transparency Bill 2012: Second Stage (Resumed) [Private Members] (9 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank the Minister and the Deputies for their contributions. In summation, I will touch upon each of the statements made by the Deputies, if they will bear with me. I have taken notes and I hope I do not reflect anyone's position incorrectly in responding to the points raised. Deputy Michael McGrath talked about the need for greater transparency in politics and in what the Government is...

Tax Transparency Bill 2012: Referral to Select Committee (9 Nov 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I move:That the Bill be referred to the Select Sub-committee on Finance pursuant to Standing Orders 82A(3)(a) and 118 and paragraph (viii) of the select sub-committee's orders of reference.

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