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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Does Mr. Hogan think the European institutions will accept that when they come to meet us and look at what is happening with our climate approach?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: The strategic environmental report recognises that it is strategic in nature and is concerned with broad objectives. It is not at project level like the NDP. There is a completely different context if one goes for project level. I do not think the European institutions will accept it. Three months after the NPF was agreed, the EPA publicly acknowledged that it does not have faintest idea...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Can I give some examples of why I disagree with that? First, Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, appeared before the Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport and was asked about its key transport objectives in terms of tackling gridlock in Dublin. The answer was that it was going to widen the N11, N7, N6, N4, N3 and N2, thus allowing for greater long-distance commuter traffic into...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Does Mr. McCarthy think the expansion of the motorways and approach roads into Dublin will help that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: The compact development of Dublin and development at the right location.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Does Mr. McCarthy think the NDP will achieve the emissions reductions that we know we must achieve in the context of the European shared responsibility for 2030 and 2050?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: I think that is utterly wrong. The Minister has spoken, non-stop, about how he has cornered €23 billion in spending but €13 billion of that is existing investment by the ESB and EirGrid, which they do every year in any event. For retrofitted buildings, which should be the most carbon-reducing element of the package, there is €3 billion for the next ten years. When Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: We are facing the European Commission in a couple months and we have a shortfall of at least 50 million tonnes. Why not state that our project is to retrofit 40,000 houses in order to save a specified amount of carbon to meet our treaty-based obligations, rather than going cap in hand to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform for money? If the NDP was based on climate objectives...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: How much of the €3 billion is Mr. McCarthy going to get?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: How did the Department sign off on a €3 billion figure in the NDP without knowing where the money was going or what the carbon reduction would be?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: We received a submission in respect of the public consultation paper from the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment on the national energy and climate action plan, the first draft of which has to be done by the end of the year. It is unintelligible on first reading and God help any member of the public who wants to make a submission. Surely, as part of this process,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: I am with Ms Marie Donnelly on the continued use of fossil fuel for heating and I agree with her that it makes sense to stop it now. I have heard the arguments from the Department that it continues to use it to keep the supply of houses going and to bring competition for gas and oil but I do not think we need that. We have to stop using gas and oil now. Mr. McCarthy spoke of cost-optimal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: What is the Department's discount rate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Were the same carbon costs applied in the NDP?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: The Part L regulations deal with capital costs up front and then running costs. Does the Department include the cost of carbon in all calculations?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Does the Department accept my assessment of the modelling that it shows us to be 100 million tonnes short in the next decade, and that we will have to make up that gap?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: Three Secretaries General have been before us and not one of them has engaged in the process of closing the gap. Why is that? They have refused to recognise the reality that our NDP is not good enough, our national mitigation plan will not do it and our ambition needs to be a multiple of what we are doing at present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: How much did yesterday's budget allocate to the next phase of social housing deep retrofits?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: We do not know because Mr. McCarthy could not give me the figure for what the emission savings would be, but we need to be on a particular trajectory to meet the 2030 target. Our transport emissions are rising by 4% per annum. Our agriculture emissions are rising; they are rising everywhere. Improving the NZEB building standards will not deliver the scale of emission reductions that would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Third Report of the Citizens' Assembly: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Oct 2018)

Eamon Ryan: For these meetings I have been trying to get Departments to provide in advance their additional projects that would help close the gap. We would then debate them and identify the better ones which are most economic, offer the best social benefits, etc. None of the Departments have done that yet. Given that we are in this process with the European national energy and climate action plan,...

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