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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is not a defence to say that we have not gathered all the information yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: There was a discussion in July 2015. I think the Commissioner should reconsider publishing the letter from Ken Ruane. As Chairman of the committee here today I will officially ask her to reconsider that. It is her own decision but I am just asking her officially. It would be helpful to everyone and it would be in the interest of transparency. We will certainly be having a conversation...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I did not say that the Commissioner did.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I did not say that the Commissioner did but that is the spectrum that we are looking at here. Did the Commissioner say that it was a very short meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Over a cup of tea?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I accept that but it was very brief, which suggests a few minutes, but go on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: What is very brief? Two hours?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. We do not need to go over this. There is going to be a difference of evidence and that is fine. Just answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: In the meeting on 27 July, was the Commissioner not in possession or aware of the McGee report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was it not discussed at the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Will the Commissioner consult her colleagues with her to find out if the McGee report was attached to the letter from Mr. Ruane? I appreciate that the Commissioner is not going to talk about that letter but I want to know if the McGee report was attached. If so, was it part of the meeting? If not, was it not discussed as part of the meeting? Will the Commissioner discuss that with her...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Which deputy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am just trying to get a flavour of this meeting that took place on 27 July and which is disputed in length. Were Mr. Barrett's report and Mr. McGee's report discussed at length? It questions the Commissioner's level of knowledge which informed her decision not to bring in the internal auditor, not to do a section 41 and not to refer to any of this in the letter of 31 July to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Commissioner did not do one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay, but the fact is the Commissioner did not do one. The second issue is that we need to know if and at what length the McGee and Barrett reports were discussed at that meeting. The Commissioner's decision as based on the basic or more extended knowledge she has is a critical issue for our committee in terms of making deliberations and reporting on this. The decision not to do a section...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is not a fact actually, but go on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am pretty experienced politician and I can see when there is contradictory evidence being given in front of me that does not stand up to scrutiny. That is what I am seeing here today and what I have seen over the past four meetings. This concerns just one meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. You might answer the question, please.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Let us run through this meeting. It took place on 27 July, the letter was from 24 July. We have evidence given to us here from Mr. Ruane that he has a note from 30 June where he was informed by Mr. Barrett that Mr. Dunne had informed the Commissioner of the issues around Templemore on 30 June. We have a meeting that took place on 2 July. It is now under dispute as to whether that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is not all hearsay.