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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I am asking. When I say, "Dr. Love", I mean the HEA. Sorry, is the HEA aware?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Are any of those officials who can answer my question here?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Would Mr. Brownlee be aware of whether allegations were answered on a verbal basis and where documentation, for example, in evidence, was not requested? Would that be something that Mr. Brownlee would be aware of?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: A desk-based review?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Will Mr. Brownlee describe what a desk-based review would be?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: It was not?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: The HEA said it was but Dr. Murphy is saying it was not.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Were members of management interviewed? Was Dr. Murphy interviewed?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Murphy was. Would management have been?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Who was the Accounting Officer? Who signs the cheque for KPMG?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I thank Dr. Murphy. In relation to O'Flynn Exhams Solicitors that was mentioned, did Dr. Murphy state that CIT paid them over €10,000?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Were they at the centre of any of the allegations that were made?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Murphy is reluctant.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Murphy is reluctant, I would say, because my understanding is that they were. If they were, why were they one of those firms that were then paid €10,000 in the course of this work? If they were - Dr. Murphy will not answer - one of those who were at the centre of the allegations and then they were hired and paid almost 10,000, is that not a conflict of interest?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it correct that the Comptroller and Auditor General's office has stated that it received an unredacted copy of the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Did the HEA receive an unredacted copy?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: The Department would have received an unredacted copy. It is only the Committee of Public Accounts that received a redacted, heavily redacted, copy of the report. Are we the only ones who received the redacted version of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: What I am saying is that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: What I am saying is that everybody else has full unredacted copies of it, except this body. We are the public representatives, the democratic oversight. We are kept pretty much in the dark.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: But they were identified, I am sorry, Dr. Murphy.

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