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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Under cross-compliance-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What is it based on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: That is extrapolated based on the Department's sample. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: This is what I am coming at. Is Mr. O'Driscoll saying the Department has collected the fines from the farmer, but the State has not paid the money to Europe yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What does that mean? They pay it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: No, they pay the money to the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department submit that onwards?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: My question is as simple as this. Cross-compliance inspections are done in 1% of farms. That is the figure Mr. O'Driscoll read out. It amounts to 1,368, and 38% of these had fines. Does Europe not say to the Department that the figure should be extrapolated to everywhere else? In the other area there is a 5% inspection figure. The Department does 5,000 or 6,000 inspections and finds...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: When those responsible come to Ireland for this €180 million, is it for a different series of inspections, other than what the Department is doing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What percentage of farms are they doing in their inspections which are not included in the Department inspections such that they have extrapolated up to €180 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I know the Department picks the good ones. Anyway, the fines that go in-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: This is my last question on this particular point. What fines has the Department collected from farmers? What fines has Department paid over to Europe? Mr. O'Driscoll might send us a note on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I have two other brief points. I realise this is not on the accounts but it is keenly relevant to the Department. How many farm deaths are there per annum, whether farmers, farmers' children or other people? I know it is not a normal thing but farm safety is very important. It may not be strictly under the remit of the officials present. I have heard a good deal about cruelty to animals,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: A one-stop-shop for bereaved families.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I will not ask Mr. O'Driscoll to answer two further questions now, but he can send his answers to the committee in writing. If he wants to answer verbally, though, that would be fine. The Department used to have a role in a great deal of forestry land, much of which it transferred to Coillte down the years. Is it still the registered owner of any of the lands that Coillte believes is its...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Please do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department need an extension? Has it plans for one? It is working on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Send me a note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I will.

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