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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Housing and Retrofitting: Discussion (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I might be looking for one of those jobs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Housing and Retrofitting: Discussion (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I will be sharing with Deputy Lahart. I thank our guests for their presentations because they are helpful. From our perspective, we fully appreciate that, if we are going to make a meaningful impact on our carbon emissions, we must deal with the heating sector and home heating in particular so what our guests have talked about is relevant. My understanding is that much of the retrofit...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Housing and Retrofitting: Discussion (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Are applications still being accepted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I welcome Mr. O'Loughlin. We owe him a very considerable debt of gratitude for his courage in speaking out from within a very large, well-respected organisation. He has done a very considerable service to the company and the country for raising such important issues, recognising that it had to be done in an unorthodox way. What I want to try to understand first is Mr. O'Loughlin's current...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Is Mr. O'Loughlin off on sick leave or-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Did that stress come about as a result of Mr. O'Loughlin making these declarations or of his going public or-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I ask Mr. O'Loughlin to go back a little, before the making of the protected disclosures. He had a senior role in the company and had responsibility for health and safety matters. He has identified clearly how this worked. He recognised problems, identified solutions and then sought support through the organisation to have those solutions implemented. Does he believe that the organisation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: When Mr. O'Loughlin raised these issues, something clearly happened that took him from a position of raising them to his then progressing to a protected disclosure. That is certainly a ratcheting up of his position. Perhaps he could talk to us about how he got to the point that he felt he had to go down the protected disclosure route.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: What I am trying to understand is whether Mr. O'Loughlin believes there is an appropriate level of governance within the organisation or a culture that is open to people such as him raising issues of serious concern.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: There has been a culture of silence around serious issues.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: That speaks to a culture within the organisation that a problem ignored is a problem solved in some instances.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: We are getting to the nub of the issue. Mr. O’Loughlin persisted with his non-retention of that information and continued to raise the issues, which was the right thing to do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: How would he characterise the culture in the organisation when he started to take the matter to the next level? In other words, he contacted the Minister and he went down the protected disclosures route. Culturally, how was he treated then? I do not want to get into the naming of any individuals.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: When Mr. O'Loughlin reached a certain point with his disclosures, was there ever a point where the organisation offered or in some way extended an offer to him to leave the company?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: With respect to governance, there is one issue I am a little concerned about regarding that exit. Was there anything in particular in that agreement to which Mr. O'Loughlin felt he could not sign up?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Mr. O'Loughlin was being asked to sign something that would have put a gagging clause on him from that point on regarding him communicating with the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment? Is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Maybe Mr. O'Loughlin should not read it out verbatim but what I could ask-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I suggest that Mr. O'Loughlin provide the termination agreement to the committee in due course so that we can have a look at it to see if there is something in it, to which Mr. O'Loughlin was expected to sign up, that would have prevented him from communicating with the Minister in future on issues of safety concerning the ESB. This was not a line stating he would not contact the media,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: ESB Networks: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2019)

Timmy Dooley: That is a very serious development. I suggest the committee seeks that document from Mr. O'Loughlin and we can look at it further. Mr. O'Loughlin has gone through all of this and the information is now public. We have had representatives of the Commission for Regulation of Utilities, CRU, before the committee and we will have representatives of the Environmental Protection Agency and the...

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