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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: That brings us back then to where this all started. When the State got advice from KPMG and PwC, they advised that the gap funding model was the best way forward because it would provide a competitive environment. Looking at the marketplace, they identified Eir, ESB, and others. They referred to the amount of infrastructure that was already there, and the capacity of the State to expect a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: In effect, what the State and its consultants did in designing this level playing field so there could be true competition, was ultimately at a cost to the taxpayer. We will have had pure competition, but purely for the sake of it, and it will cost the taxpayer €2 billion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: When the then CEO of Eir, Mr. Richard Moat, wrote to the Minister at the time and said it had become overly complex and onerous, he was referring to the fact that the procurement process was no longer fit for the purpose of providing broadband to 542,000 homes at the best price. All those who pitched in had a level playing field, but in the knowledge that raising that bar for everyone meant...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I am clear now on the money aspect, which was a result of the decision to try to have an effective competition, the merits of which are questionable. That is the cost side of it. What does having a procurement process that requires everyone to create a completely new infrastructure do to the roll-out period? What is the timeframe from the get-go to completion? Take the example we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I am going to stop Ms Lennon there. For two years, the Government has been saying that we cannot interfere with the current process in any way. When both Eir and Siro pulled out, I raised concerns with the then Minister, and he said we had to keep going, because if anything was done to stall this process, we would lose two years. In essence, it is the way the procurement process is put...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Based on Ms Lennon's knowledge of what Granahan McCourt Capital is offering, though they do not exist in this area of the marketplace at the moment, how long would it take to get service providers onto its network?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: There is a time lag associated with overbuilding Eir's network.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: That covers most things for me. However, I read an article in one of the main newspapers which indicated that people are now looking at Eir doing it for €1 billion again, but the biggest hurdle is that Eir says it does not want to re-enter the national broadband plan in any form. Is that true?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: The Government has gone a long a way and it is arguable that it should have known Eir had the capacity to do it more cheaply, based on the letter from Mr. Moat. Was there a conversation between the former Minister, Deputy Naughten, and Mr. Richard Moat after that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: If the Government decided not to proceed with the signing of a contract with Granahan McCourt and a new process was under way, would Eir get involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Eir is saying it could do the job for under €1 billion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: If the model mirrored-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: If it was a fit for the 300,000-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Poor old Denis.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Urban in a rural setting? What are you saying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Is a two-storey more expensive to connect than a bungalow?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I have a minor supplementary question. I was looking at what the Taoiseach said in the Dáil today. He said: It seems that the €1 billion bid about which Eir is talking would involve passing homes but not connecting any of them and does not cover maintenance costs for 25 years. Therefore, it would be pretty useless to anyone. I would like to hear Eir's response for the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (25 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: The quality of the service that would be available to the 542,000 premises would be the same as what is available to the 300,000 premises.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: I thank Mr. O'Leary for a very thorough, comprehensive presentation. His reputation is such that I would not expect anything less from him. The ESB delivers electricity to every home in the country under a mandate from the State and is subject to oversight by the regulator. If the State was minded to mandate the ESB to deliver broadband to the 542,000 premises in question notwithstanding...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment: National Broadband Plan: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Jun 2019)

Timmy Dooley: Mr. O'Leary discussed the issues to and fro with the Department on the NBP process. He is well aware of what Eir has stated about it being cumbersome, complex and difficult. Let us go back two years to when Mr. O'Leary was in the thick of it. If he was asked, in a relatively simplistic way, to say how he would deliver high-speed broadband - commensurate with what he was doing in the SIRO...

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