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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: It is because a lot of requests were made that I wish to make sure that one is included.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I do not see any need.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: We could ask him by means of written correspondence if we need to get information.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is there a time limit to this part of the meeting? I believe it was agreed to be an hour.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Are we sticking to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: It is the celebrations.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I have two questions on two separate issues. The first relates to the last time Mr. O'Brien was before the committee. At the time there was a conversation about the freedom of information request from certain journalists. Specifically, RTE journalists tabled extensive FOI requests. Mr. O'Brien said in his response that if RTE had made a more comprehensive request in respect of local...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Let us stick with the programme mentioned. It is good that Mr. O'Brien has at least acknowledged that it was accurate.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I thank Mr. O'Brien for that. In respect of the request made, does Mr. O'Brien accept that a request was made by that programme for wider information and that there was a response from the HSE to the effect that it would be better if the requester reduced the scope of the information sought?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I thank Mr. O'Brien for that. I will move on to my second question. One of the issues raised was funding for the Waterford Intellectual Disability Association. This was one of the organisations providing care for Grace. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: An organisation was providing a service. There were issues. There were certainly allegations made by that organisation to the effect that its funding had been reduced because people within the organisation had made protected disclosures. Mr. O'Brien is aware, at least, that this was an accusation made by those involved.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: However, that has been refuted by the HSE. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Has the HSE received a draft report from Deloitte?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Has the HSE rejected any elements of the review? To the knowledge of Mr. O'Brien, has the HSE rejected any of the findings in the draft report, which, Mr. O'Brien maintains, HSE staff have sight of?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I have two more quick questions. Is Mr. O'Brien aware of any view expressed by anyone in the HSE to the funding organisation that it should fund-raise to cover the cost of providing care for Grace, because the funding the organisation required was not given?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: That is not the question I asked. The question I asked was whether a view was ever expressed, to the knowledge of Mr. O'Brien, by anyone in the HSE to the effect that the organisation providing the service, the service provider, should fund-raise to provide the level of care that Grace needed because the money requested by that organisation was not forthcoming.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. O'Brien provide this committee with any details of that, if that is what the representatives of that organisation are claiming? I understand they say their estimation of the cost of providing the service for Grace would have been €100,000. They were told by the HSE that it would be €50,000. We need to bear in mind that this is for one-on-one support for someone who...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Brien told us when he was here last time that the Deloitte report would be published imminently - I believe that was the word he used. It has not been published. I am trying to understand whether there is an attempt by the HSE, at any level, to frustrate the publication of that report by not agreeing with elements of it, holding it up or whatever. I am being led to believe that Mr....

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