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Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: You do.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Yes, you do. I gave it to you. It is on the record of the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I have one final question.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If you do not mind, Chairman. The previous speaker had a good bit of time. I have two last questions. First, I wish to clarify something.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I have one last question, but before I ask it I wish to clarify something. I put all these matters on the record at previous meetings when we decided on a course of action. It is all there, so it is not new. Yes, of course I speak for myself. One thirteenth of the view of this committee is mine and I put it out there. The last report of this committee was published in January and one...

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2016 and 2017
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 102: National Asset Management Agency Second Progress Report
(20 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We are not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I welcome Mr. Fraser and hope he gets over his accident. My question is to the Comptroller and Auditor General. Can we take it that most audit committees can now defer to him rather than it being necessary for them to exist?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How would the Comptroller and Auditor General feel about the fact that because a person was indisposed, a committee did not meet for several years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is it possible then to categorically state from the Comptroller and Auditor General's own work that there would be no governance failings or issues in the absence of internal audit during the period?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. We have a need for internal audit because the level of assessment the Comptroller and Auditor General will apply with his own resources, expertise and staff is such that it requires the support of an internal audit function in terms of the in-depth work programme it would undertake.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: My next question is to Mr. Fraser. We would not want to send out a message to other Departments or State agencies that we could defer. Theoretically, since 2016, we have had an internal audit function but in reality we have one now. It will not have existed and it will probably only focus on 2017 accounts and onwards. That was because an individual, and I do not want to get into personal...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Presumably, there are assistant secretaries, principal officers, assistant principal officers and so on or is it the case that if Mr. Fraser is missing, his job stops dead?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If the Comptroller and Auditor General is missing-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We have identified two failings.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I appreciate that. Should Mr. McCarthy have a deputy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It does not provide for one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: There is a referendum coming up. Perhaps the Government could add a few things on top of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We have identified two failings. The audit committee did not have a vice chair, so it could not meet and the Comptroller and Auditor General said to us earlier that it was a matter for the committee itself to meet. Why would the committee not have met of its own accord, or was just a chairman appointed and no members?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Would they not have got together and agreed to have a meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
(25 Sep 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is that what happened? Is it the practice in the public service that if an individual is held in high esteem, a meeting would not be held in his or her absence?

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